(January 9, 2019 at 7:35 pm)Grandizer Wrote:(January 9, 2019 at 7:31 pm)tackattack Wrote: Faith doesn’t require falsification, but doesn’t preclude it either. faith and reason are not mutually exclusive as you imply
Faith is a way of attaining so called knowledge when reason alone can't get you there. So perhaps they work together but still doesn't change the fact you have to make a blind unreasoned leap by having faith that something is true.
(January 9, 2019 at 8:16 pm)unfogged Wrote:(January 9, 2019 at 7:31 pm)tackattack Wrote: Faith doesn’t require falsification, but doesn’t preclude it either. faith and reason are not mutually exclusive as you imply
If you have reason, based on actual evidence, then there is no use for faith. Having faith is an admission that the belief is not reasoned.
As we are reasoning beings, Very little of what we actually chose to do is without reason. You may not like my reasons or have another standard, but I can have reason and faith. What I can't have is Faith and Evidence that is seen or complete understanding of, because, by that's how the Bible defines faith. I have evidence for lots of things in my life, I have reasons for almost everything, I have subjective observations and a partially complete understanding that rises above the level of plausible, indications for a God, IMO.
To simplify I'll just reword statements Having faith is an admission that the belief is not provable and Faith is a way of attaining knowledge when materialism alone can't get you there. This seems to be an atheist trigger word, so pardon if this is off topic.
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