(January 9, 2019 at 11:09 pm)tackattack Wrote: As we are reasoning beings, Very little of what we actually chose to do is without reason. You may not like my reasons or have another standard, but I can have reason and faith.
You can have reason and faith, but not on the same beliefs.
Quote:What I can't have is Faith and Evidence that is seen or complete understanding of, because, by that's how the Bible defines faith.
Evidence that is not seen is not evidence and I see no reason to think that faith is a good thing no matter where it is defined.
Quote: I have evidence for lots of things in my life, I have reasons for almost everything,
It is odd how so many theists are able to use critical thinking and reason in almost every aspect of their lives and yet throw it out the window when it comes to the god question. That is the one area where ignoring all the inconsistencies and contradictions and actual evidence is treated as valid.
Quote:I have subjective observations and a partially complete understanding that rises above the level of plausible, indications for a God, IMO.
Every "plausible indication" I have ever been presented with boils down to an argument from either ignorance or personal incredulity. Subjective observations and partial understandings are useful to identify possible areas of investigation but they are insufficient to come to a reasoned belief which is why faith has to be used to bridge the gap. Yes, there is much that we do not fully understand and much more that we do not know. That is not a basis for reaching a conclusion.
(January 9, 2019 at 11:09 pm)tackattack Wrote: To simplify I'll just reword statements Having faith is an admission that the belief is not provable
It is more than that. It is an admission that it is not rational to hold the belief.
Quote:and Faith is a way of attaining knowledge when materialism alone can't get you there.
No, faith can't get you to knowledge, only to unsupported, unreasoned beliefs.
Quote: This seems to be an atheist trigger word, so pardon if this is off topic.
Faith is a core problem; believers hold it up as a virtue when it is the antithesis of rational thought.
Atheism: it's not just for communists any more!