(January 10, 2019 at 12:19 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: If I tell you there's an apple, you look for an apple, and you see an apple on the tree, are you going to say it's a balloon, are you schizophrenic, or are you going to say it's an apple? You know the apple because it has the attributes. You can pull the apple off the tree, slice it, taste it. At what point will you agree it's an apple? Will you even look? If you never look for the apple on the tree, you will not likely ever find the apple, and even if you did, you wouldn't know if it was the same apple.
That's not how the analogy goes.
It goes like this:
You tell me there's an apple on that tree.
I've spent a good deal of my life passing by the tree and never noticed any apple there.
Still, I take a look.
I see nothing that can be called an apple.
I see balloons, and leaves and other plastic trash that somehow flew over and got trapped on the tree branches.
I just don't see any apple.
Others come by and can't see any apple either.
But some of those others will tell me that there must be an apple, even if they themselves don't see it.
And a few others will tell me that they see the apple.
So, I cannot see the apple, even if I use the highest resolution apple-detector available, I can't find an apple on that tree.
If I can't find the apple and, even some that think there must be an apple will tell me that they can't find it either, I must conclude that the ones that claim to find the apple must have some problem with their perception of the apple.
Either that, or the apple is actively hiding from most of us.
(January 10, 2019 at 12:19 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: If you want to talk about "priming", wouldn't it be fair to say that you could be priming yourself? You have placed a limitation on what you can find, so you will only see that limitation. You have predetermined the outcome. I believe it would fall under negative episodic priming, meaning you have flagged something in your mind to ignore it.
I'm sure we could go through an endless list of whys and why nots.
Hehe.... or you flagged something in your mind to see what isn't there...?
It's because it works both ways that it's so difficult to say anything final about the subject.
Perhaps some sufficiently advanced AI will be able to help us out in this.