(January 12, 2019 at 3:34 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:(January 12, 2019 at 3:03 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I think Brian is being hyperbolic for the sake of brevity. He can correct me, if I'm wrong, ofc. If you want little personal spiel, it goes something like this:
I have been on these forums for upwards of four years now, and I have never been presented with a positive case for the existence of god that wasn't either logically fallacious, or didn't misrepresent science in some fashion, or both. Unlike many of my cohorts here, atheism is not my preferred position. I would prefer that there be "something else", or something "more", beyond death. The fact is, no one has ever made a convincing case to me. No one has ever made a convincing case for the existence of the supernatural. No one has ever been able to give me a sound, positive description of what the supernatural is. So, I withhold belief until such a case is presented.
Quote:You have always been fair and you seem kind, so hopefully I can provide the same back to you.
Thank you, and likewise!
Quote:It's not about what everybody else can prove or what others can show you. It's about you seeking regardless of your own personal biases.
No one is free from internal biases, and I am no exception. That being said, biases don't drive my lack of belief. As a said above, I would actually prefer there to be a god, so if anything, I think my bias would be favor of theism, not in opposition to it. I used to be a Christian, and then I dropped organized religion and was a generic theist. Then, that belief just sort of fell away. I don't continue to seek God despite lack of evidence. That would be biased. I simply look at what is available to me, and make a decision about whether or not there's enough to convince me a god exists.
Quote:I can show you a million things and claim they are evidence, but until you experience God, you will have a reason to say that's not good enough, because that's not God.
It would depend on what it was you were claiming as evidence, and if it met the general standards of evidence. I'm not sure what would or could convince me that a god exists. It's hard to say. But 'absolutely nothing' isn't going to cut it. If a god is out there and he wants to make himself known to me without question, he knows where I am.
Quote:If our own human determination was the root problem, then how can we assume ourselves to be the solution?
Apologies; I'm not sure what root problem you're referring to here.
Quote:Seek the source by the source and its assumed attributes. That doesn't mean others can't assist you along the way, but as much as someone can be helpful, they can also be hurtful. Even if someone means well, they can give you misinformation.
Sure, I don't disagree with this.
Quote:If I wanted to find you (hypothetically), I would need to assume you have an identity, I would need to be willing to seek, I would need to know what attributes you have to recognize you, and no matter who anybody else says you are or where they say you are, I will only have found you when I matched you with what I know to be you.
But, you're starting with the assumption that I exist. How do you know I exist?
Quote: At that point, I will have accomplished my mission and you can hit me with a purse or a brick, or even shake my hand, but the latter is always preferred.
Hey, as long as you don't come charging at me with a bible in your hand, we'll be good, friend!
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken.
Wiser words were never spoken.
