Aborting Baby Hitler...

[Brian37]

No discussion to be had.

Not your body, stay the fuck out of it. I cant dumb it down any further for you.

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FYI Yonandav I noticed you list yourself as "Jewish" under religious views.

Well, looky here seems that Israel's population has more common sense than you do.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israels-ab...t-liberal/

But it is my world. There is no such thing as 'reproductive rights'.  It simply does not follow that simply because you can do something, then you have a right to do it. When we first started talking about this, you assumed that I was targeting abortion. I wasn't.  In the near future, we might need to start regulating reproduction. And we are going to have to get tougher on unfit parents. Some of the lies that we are telling now are going to complicate future discussions.

Um no, this is not your world. This is our species home, not just you, and not just when you get what you want.

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I disagree with both regulating reproduction is an awful idea and the term unfit parents is loaded as hell .And yes such rights exist otherwise their is no sovereignty over the body .

Unfit parents is a thorny issue, but it isn't loaded. It's just complicated. At the extreme end of the issue, it isn't complicated. Taking a baby away from drug addicted criminals is a no brainer.  Taking a child away from parents who beat the crap out of their child is a no brainer.  Taking a child away from people who spend their money on drugs and alcohol but don't feed their child is a no brainer. We just don't know what to do with the children, once we take them. And the issue becomes difficult when dealing with people whose parenting offences are not so blatant. Once we start taking people's children, where do we stop? That's a bit worrisome.

Sovereignty over the body is more of a rhetorical concept than a legal one. I support a woman's right to get an abortion, but Roe v Wade isn't about sovereignty of the body. It is totally about a doctor's right to perform medical procedures that they determine is in the patient's medical best interest. That is what Roe v Wade actually says. It doesn't say that people can do whatever they want with their bodies.

It isn't a matter of "unfit" parents. Class should not prevent one from having a child or having an abortion.

It is a matter of long term thinking in terms of wages, education, health care, mental health care so that nobody falls through the cracks. 

There are plenty of well off individuals who abuse family and or drugs too. 

Outlawing abortion is stupid, and mostly based on old mythology.