RE: Morality
January 22, 2019 at 3:06 pm
(This post was last modified: January 22, 2019 at 3:19 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 22, 2019 at 1:52 pm)Acrobat Wrote:Apathy and convenience masquerading as thoughtful restraint, lol.(January 22, 2019 at 1:25 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: There was no economic necessity. You're excusing the faith tradition, giving it a mulligan while simultaneously asserting that it was qualitatively not based on the same silly horseshit as american slavery.
I’m not excusing anything, OT views prioritized the concerns of their tribe, over anyone else. But I am saying I as a fat privileged American, I’m not inclined to pass moral judgment on certain things done by others who had to make a variety of hard choices, in an environment far crueler and less certain than ours.
Quote:If you as some liberal see yourself as more moral than they were, because of all the violent and tragic choices they had to make to survive, by all means go pat yourself on the back.It was only a matter of time till this started swirling around the l-word, eh? Again, I've just expressed to you that there was no necessity. If you care to object, you can explain how slavery was specifically required. Until then, I'm going to call this for what it was, a lazy attempt to excuse magic book...which continues below.
Quote:Secondly I’m not just saying that of ancient Hebrews, but for ancient civilizations all together.That's nice, dear.
Quote:If that was the case, then why would slave owners give slaves a modified version of the Bible, that got rid references to Exodus, and etc...?For the same reason that christians were treated to similar modifications of the same.
Quote:Why be so keen to censor and supervise slave worship, if they weren’t worried that certain aspects of the Bible will undermine their institutions? Paul’s passage about slaves obedience also calls for their masters to love them, and treat them like they would a brother, far from the suggestions of blacks as less than human, or as animals.I'm nice to my pet cat, too.
Quote:In fact evangelizing slaves to Christianity was prohibited initially, primarily because they weren’t seen as human at all. In Europe it was illegal to own Christian slaves, so missionaries were often met with violence by slave owners.Slave owners who were..themselves, god botherers.
Quote:Slave owners may have tried to use the Bible as means of justifying their institution, but it was also its very undermining. Christianity in its conception is the religion of the oppressed, a religion of subversion of values, from that of masters to that of slaves.You prefer your mythology to fact, it seems.
-For Brian. "Jesus" by the time he was made "christ" in canonization of "john" is no underdog. He's the triumphant and divine lord of all creation conquering his rivals and political enemies..even death itself. Christianity had left it's low born hellenic moorings and become part of the apparatus of both the state, and a psuedo state within that state. The underdog motif is either not a part of this mytheme....or it's place is in the early formation before the standardization of dogma in the proto-christian period. Before this, there was no one we would recognize as christian today.....and many groups unrecognizable as such still belonged (and their adherants were still alive...lol) to the loose collection of competing folkloric traditions in what would later turn out to be the christian umbrella.
Christ as underdog is modern marketing, born in part.. by all of the counterfactual information we've discovered in magic book and the need to (continually) rehabilitate both jesus and christ to our modern sensibilities and valuations.
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