RE: Morality
January 23, 2019 at 8:54 am
(This post was last modified: January 23, 2019 at 9:16 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 23, 2019 at 8:37 am)Acrobat Wrote:Because that's what they are? Why call Total Drama Island Total Drama Island if it doesn't compel me to watch? Because that's what it is. Moral facts and moral compulsion are distinct subjects, Acro, lol.Quote:If moral facts exist independently of us, then moral facts exist independently of us. They do not define our aims on sheer account of their existence. No more so than the sheer existence of Total Drama Island compels me to watch it with my daughters.If that were the case why even call them moral. If it’s moral fact that stealing your wallet is wrong, but this fact is not saying that I ought not steal your wallet, then it’s not really a moral fact, it may be a fact about the unpleasantness on having your wallet taken, but it’s not a moral fact, if it’s not implying what I ought not do. Calling it a moral fact is just semantic trickery.
Morality isn't stomping around making anyone do anything, or handing out oughts. We do that, sometimes we do it by reference to moral fact and sometimes we don't. Sometimes we find those oughts compelling, sometimes we don't. Moral compulsion is a thing even if I'm wrong, and there are no moral facts of any matter.
(-and no, I don't find platonic idealism all that convincing - natural realist, remember? As a system for communicating what he thought and meant to say, and allow him the freedom to comment on a wide range of things from a unified framework.. I think it was admirable , but as a description of reality or anything in it - dead end. Floating "eggness" as an explanation for eggs , like total drama island...exists, but doesn't compel me on account of it's sheer existence, either.)
As a side note, most atheists don't consider themselves realists, certainly not here on these boards. It seems to be an issue of the faithful having so competently filled up the well with their silly bullshit that it gets condemned by association, lol. If you ask them whether or not the thing they think makes something wrong is a fact of a matter, though...they'll generally answer in the affirmative. It's not just their opinion that skullfucking children is wrong, they presume that their opinion refers to relevant facts. Most of us live our lives as though we were realists, regardless of whether or not we are..or can communicate our reasons for doing so. The faithful also live their lives as realists, mostly...despite advancing a purportedly subjective moral schema.... that's actually a relativist cultural phenomena...and then calling it "objective".
The whole thing is kindof amusing from my perspective...I'm sure you'll be able to appreciate that.
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