RE: Morality
January 23, 2019 at 4:23 pm
(This post was last modified: January 23, 2019 at 4:34 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 23, 2019 at 4:05 pm)Acrobat Wrote: No, I could rid myself of all my christian beliefs, and my views on morality still stand.-then your moral views are secular....and likely humanist. If you could hold them in the absence of your god beliefs then theres nothing about my being an atheist that would prevent me from holding the same.
Quote:So are the boundaries set by the moral facts that exist independent of us, or are the set by “us”.? Earlier you claimed that moral facts don’t have aims, if that ’s the case then they can’t set boundaries. If boundaries are a human construct as you seemed to suggest earlier, than you can’t appeal to moral facts to set them.Correct, because facts are things, not people. They are descriptions of some reality, not intentional agents, lol. Facts don't have aims. What other than moral facts do you think a moral realist would or even coherently could refer to in order to establish their deontological boundaries?
Quote:I didn’t sign a pledge to live by moral facts. I was born to them, against my own volition. Captive to them as a slave to its master. They are not chains of my own making, but chains I’ve been bound in since creation. A part of being born in the image of God. I can’t poof it out of existence, anymore so than i can poof you out of existense, and this is not from a lack of trying, because hard as any man can try, he cannot not deny what is self-evident, without lies and delusions.
I may rebel against these obligations, against the very master itself, but I can not deny their existence. In greed I might steal your wallet, but I can’t deny that I ought not to have stolen it, my conscious laying witness to this very fact.
Gasp...you mean..you had obligations placed upon you? You don't saaaaay........but..remember, you didn't actually need to say anything about god up above, because you would still have the same moral views even if you weren't born in the image of a god, even if there was no creation. Right? The strength of the truth of the one is uninformative as to the strength of the truth of the other, this is what you've indicated above.
Just a couple of gems that seemed worth pursuing. What we have, in you..is a secuilar moral realist telling us that they would rather choose moral nihilism than their own moral structure. Well..okay, but so what? What is that supposed to show us?
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