RE: Is atheism a belief?
January 25, 2019 at 11:50 am
(This post was last modified: January 25, 2019 at 11:56 am by Agnostico.)
me Wrote:I think this is a fair definition of atheism, a set of ideologies based on the presumtion/belief/premise that some form of creator is not in play.
Buddhasim, Confucianism, Taoism, Jainism, etc are the main ideological branches of atheism in eastern culture which trace back thousands of years.
Gae Bolga Wrote:That's because you're a nutter. Atheism is simple. It's not a set of ideologies, or an ideology itself. Do you believe in gods? No? Bingo, atheist.
LoL u have to be a bit of a nutter to be thinking about this stuff don't u reckon. LoL.

The definition of atheism is as simple as u put it. I understand that.
What I was saying is that thousands of years ago, in the orient, it was atheism that gave rise to these religions/philosophies/ doctrines.
Mista Agenda Wrote:'New' as in at least 134 years old. Catch up, dude.
As I was saying, atheism has been the basis of eastern religions for 2,500 years.
In contrast 134 years is a "New" concept in the west.
Gae Bolga Wrote:Family seems to be a serious priority for us now?
What is your priority for society?

Gae Bolga Wrote:Sucks, I guess?
Its just small nuances in semantics.
I have no prob with the definition of atheism, I even said it on page 2 or 3 of this thread. I can see how the theists would drill this topic so i just wanted to leave it alone.
That website i linked is really good. I could copy and paste its definition of atheism but it ultimately just boils down to the disbelief in a god like u said.
I noticed its usually the Christian God thats taken into context. But atheism extends to any kind of intelligent design right?
Extraterrestrial or even something unthought of by humans?

But my confusion is the differing views of agnosticism and atheism.

I often get told that my position is false, bullshit or whatever.

Remember i was bought up by catholics, became an atheist. Thats when I really rejected the notion of God or religion and am now agnostic.
Its been such a complex journey thats taken till now age 41 and will probably change when im 50 and 60. People can label me what ever they wish.
I know where I stand. I can answer any questions. And Im not fixed on one theory.

LoL do u ever think back to when u wer 20? I do. So naive at that age. Now at 40 I look back wen I was 30 and shake my head.

Perhaps wen im 60 ill look back in absolute disgrace with the knowledge I may have then.
I definately understand how most atheists are agnostic and how people can be agnostic theists. Its in the diagrom on my op.
But when I say Im pure agnostic some people cannot compute. They try pull me either way.
I posted that definition of agnosticism cos its me. My agnosticism not attached to atheism or theism in any way in terms of God.
In fact im skeptical of both and put the onus of proof on them to provide their claim to me.

Gae Bolga Wrote:You know that's not what that term means, right?
(appeal to ignorance)
This is the definition of the fallacy known as appeal to ignorance.
But aside from the fallacy try put on my shoes, the agnostic. I feel like a judge. I see theists and atheists arguing eachother. And I know both arguments well.
The theists admit that their view is based on faith. Ancient texts, written thousands of years ago, the bilble written by man, not God. Ok
Now the atheist steps up and I ask "whats your evidence for ruling out the possibility of some form of intelligent design or even just the Christian God?"
And I get this fallacy. Now, I don't wish to have a debate on this cos it will just go round in circles. Either u agree its a fallacy or not. No big deal. Move on.
But check this Bolga. Im more interested in early man, atheism and theism, onto civilization.
Would you agree that all religion was spawned from atheism? That 200,000 years ago the first Homo Sapiens were atheist?
Do u think these early humans would have most likely operated on the key instincts observed in animal nature, survival and procreation. true?