RE: Morality
January 25, 2019 at 5:15 pm
(This post was last modified: January 25, 2019 at 5:24 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 25, 2019 at 5:05 pm)Acrobat Wrote: The problem with your equation, is that it can just as easily apply to moral subjectivism, moral relativism, or moral realism mines or yours. So yes there is no differences, across the moral perspectives.There's immense difference across the moral perspectives. There's difference within the varying moral perspectives, even, as my descriptions of natural and non natural realism go to demonstrate.
But the point of my arguments is exactly about the distinctions, that your equation doesn’t account for, which is about the nature of x is bad. The ontology of badness or goodness.
The difference I asked you about, was what difference the addition or removal of a supernatural world made to my statement.
Quote:The relativist, the subjectivist, as well as I can agree that x is bad, is an evaluative proposition. You on the other hand deny it’s an evaluative judgement all together. You refuse to acknowledge that calling the holocaust bad, is attaching a moral judgment to the holocaust, and this is by definition is an evaluative proposition. For you to deny this, is like sayings “It’s raining outside, but I don’t believe it”I already explained this to you, and there won't be a fourth time..nor will I be quoting myself again.
Quote:The subjectivist would say its personal value judgment we individually attach to x, the relativist would say it’s cultural, social value judgment we attach to x. And it seems to me that your own views are along the lines of relativist here. You haven’t particularly made any real distinction between moral relativism, and the moral realism you seem to be advocating for, as evident in the equation you settled on, that lacks such a distinction.The difference between moral relativism and moral realism is that moral realism asserts that there are moral facts of a matter x..whereas moral relativism asserts that there are facts of a culture x, which are taken to be morally true regarding some matter y.
So, properly;
Realist - Holocaust is wrong.
Relativist - Culture X believes that Holocaust is wrong, and people in this culture believe that their cultural pronouncements are true.
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