(October 3, 2011 at 10:46 pm)salty Wrote: Society deemed homosexual behavior immoral for quite a while and it is still not an accepted practice.
You do realize that in ancient Greece and Rome homosexuality was prevalent and nobody was really bothered by it - until some christian emperor made it punishable by death. A quick look an wikipedia, it seems like many native American and African cultures were tolerant of homosexuality as well, until christians showed up and killed them.
(October 3, 2011 at 10:46 pm)salty Wrote: But to say "nothing is wrong" is to 1. Be deceived by society's view of moral behavior, the same society that killed slaves if one white woman claimed to have been looked at funny, the same society that said we had separate but equal schools, hospitals etc, the same society that expected women to stay in their place...society's idea of what is right changes like the seasons, and the person that stands against it is less than human.
I don't know what you're trying to say here. Do you? I agree that society's idea of what is right changes, sometimes for better, sometimes for worse. You say that someone who tries to stand against equal rights is "less than human", does that mean you think homosexuals should have equal rights? By that I don't mean "well you can have this thing that's like marriage, but it's not marriage..." because that's the same thing as segregated schools.
(October 3, 2011 at 10:46 pm)salty Wrote: 2. Be deceived by the heart instead of the logic that tells us that two people of the same gender don't match up, instead you point to animals like homosexuals can't control themselves when they go into heat for mating season. I doubt they'd be happy with that comparison. Also, you will note that same gender encounters among animals isn't common, so if it's uncommon, it's unnatural.
Here you go again with the "they don't match up" bit again. What does that even mean? How about a fat guy and a skinny woman, do they "match up"? If you mean they can't experience sexual pleasure with one another you're certainly wrong, and we've already established that procreation has nothing to do with it. If you keep saying "they don't match up" I really think you ought to elaborate; though I doubt any of us will find it convincing.
You were doing a fine job earlier in this discussion of not using the "it's unnatural" argument. Or at least I didn't notice. First though, how common an occurrence is has nothing to do with whether it's natural or not. Insert any rare disease here. Hell, where I live tornadoes are very rare, but once in a while we get one. One even went through town, flipping cars and narrowly missing a shitty old hotel everybody hoped it would destroy. In no way is this "unnatural". That's why people bring up animals, but I suspect you know that. However even if homosexuality were unnatural, who cares? What does natural or unnatural have to do with right or wrong? Scuba diving, laser eye surgery, geosynchronous communication satellites (wait isn't the moon in a geosynchronous orbit?) I don't think a person could consider these things "natural", but I fail to see what that would have to do with them being considered wrong, or immoral.
(October 3, 2011 at 10:46 pm)salty Wrote: concerning the right conduct again.
1. The bible states it is perverse.
2. If it was right in the family upbringing people wouldn't need to "come out of the closet."
3. People are still against it, ask my brother in law, we can't talk about it around the family.
4. There are homosexual people who are not comfortable with this desire in their own minds, some commit suicide, some hide it their whole lives and marry a woman to practice in secret, some refuse to practice and some practice.
5. If it was right it wouldn't be difficult to tell friends that you're gay and it wouldn't ruin relationships in families.
1: We don't care what the bible says. The bible says slavery is ok, so I'm wondering why you care what it says.
2-5: This is why people are jumping down your throat. You argue that because there are people who aren't tolerant towards homosexuality, it's ok to not be tolerant towards homosexuality. That's complete nonsense.