RE: I wan't to express, that I disliked Rick and Morty season 3
February 6, 2019 at 7:50 am
(This post was last modified: February 6, 2019 at 7:53 am by Homeless Nutter.)
(February 5, 2019 at 3:43 pm)Der/die AtheistIn Wrote: Sure, he is supposed to be a bad guy, but he easily outsmarts the other Ricks and we never hear another opinion on this matter. He also manages to destroy the citadel. Sure, the bad guy doesn't have to loose in order to show that he is in the wrong, but you have to do more than to show that he's a general asshole.
Yes, in a more realistic setting that's definitely advisable. But this particular situation is very far removed from any reality we know. I don't think the Citadel is meant to be a direct representation of real life governments, or authorities. Especially that in another episode Rick and Morty face off against the actual government. But even if I'm wrong and the creators do have some anarchistic sympathies (which wouldn't be unheard of in the world of artists) - I still don't see the problem with that. It's a cartoon. No one in their right mind bases their political views on a cartoon.
(February 5, 2019 at 3:43 pm)Der/die AtheistIn Wrote: They used so much monologue this season, why not use to show some of the character political opinions? It doesn't have to be long and words can be interesting.
No, that would just be "South Park". Parker and Stone get a lot of criticism for spelling out political messages on their show. I doubt Harmon and Roiland want that hate-mail.
Rick (the protagonist) is essentially a nihilist, which is made quite clear. As such - he doesn't really appear to have strong political opinions - because he only cares about politics, when it gets in his way.
(February 5, 2019 at 3:43 pm)Der/die AtheistIn Wrote: You are right, just because something follows all the rules of a sci-fi, it doesn't mean it's pure sci-fi. I would consider Pickle Rick and your example with Bugs Bunny comedic sci-fi. I'm not referring to all Bugs Bunny cartoons, only to this particular example, I'm also not stating that all jokes in this Bugs Bunny cartoon are sci-fi. Classic cartoons have been known to break the laws of physics, this is surreal humor.
And the rules don't have to be stated or explained in a sci-fi, it's enough to claim that the reason is science. Take Dexter's Lab for instance, it's clearly stated to be sci-fi and not phantasy, yet numerous ridiculous things happen to him. He once got turned by his computer in a sandwich with a face, glasses and shoes. Badly written, ambiguous or comedic sci-fies are still sci-fies.
But other genres can use sci-fi elements and even settings, without being generally perceived, or classified as sci-fi. Many people - myself included - don't consider "Star Wars" sci-fi. And cartoons are a grey area, because we don't apply the same standards of realism and consistency to animation, as we instinctively do to most forms of story-telling. Perhaps that's because of the association with children's entertainment.
As I said - "Pickle Rick" episode was technically sci-fi, but I don't think that classification does it any favors. It's a decent enough 20 min comedy cartoon, but pretty sloppy and far-fetched by science-fiction standards.
(February 5, 2019 at 3:43 pm)Der/die AtheistIn Wrote: You do have a point and I must admit that I wasn't specific enough. I meant repeating a plot approximately, not 100% percent. My idea that evil Morty controls the mind of a Rick isn't supposed to be exactly like the original. What I suggested was that he controls ones mind and does horrible things with it, but this time he has other plans. If a villain has mind control power and uses it multiple times, no fan will complain, as long as it's different enough each time. Why would it be different with evil Morty? Mind control might not be a superpower in his case, but it is a power.
Maybe because after it was uncovered, that Evil Rick was controlled by unknown someone, Ricks became more cautious about this kind of thing? Is it too difficult to imagine, that since Evil Morty's power was based on technology, then it could be countered by Ricks' technology - once they became aware of it? Does the show have to explain itself every time the story goes a different way than you'd have liked?
Ricks electing an evil child for leader was a funny idea, especially since Americans elected an obvious incompetent racist oaf from reality TV, which is something very few believed could happen before 2016. I don't see how complicating the story would have made it better, especially when the creators seem to be pretty serious about their creative freedom to subvert expectations.
(February 5, 2019 at 3:43 pm)Der/die AtheistIn Wrote: Yes, I myself repeat good jokes or watch again and again funny movies, what I was complaining about is when a creator uses the exact same jokes multiple times in their work or doesn't make good changes. Usually I find jokes less funny the second time, but I might return to them to remember how good they were at first and how much they made me laugh. And usually jokes aren't the only reason why I rewatch movies. Granted, there are hidden jokes, but I only find them funny after hearing or seeing them more times because I didn't (fully) understand them the first time. Also, good running gags work only because they are different every time they repeat, and the changes are good.
Sure, but it's all really subjective. You have to accept, that even your favorite show isn't made only for you. And that this particular show's creators are known to happily go from sophisticated philosophical ideas to stupid jokes in a manner of seconds - it's their stylistic choice, which I - for one - admire.
(February 5, 2019 at 3:43 pm)Der/die AtheistIn Wrote: I was referring to mass media. Again, I should've been more specific. I don't think that this show is trying dry humor. I thought that the first and second season were pretty funny, while the third wasn't. I doubt that they'll intentionally change the style of humor now that they became so popular. In fact I also believe that the show lost quality partially because it wants to fit in with the crowd so much.
Yes, that's a common accusation thrown at entertainment, that gains mainstream popularity. Maybe you're right, but I think it's too early to tell. Let's wait and see whet the next season is like.
(February 5, 2019 at 3:43 pm)Der/die AtheistIn Wrote: Well, Rick and Morty has a longer hiatus than most shows do. Also, they hired more writers, maybe that's a case of too many cooks spoil the broth.
Also, the fact that the majority likes it, doesn't make it good.
No, but it doesn't automatically make it bad, either. Personally - I don't feel this season was on average worse than previous ones, although the novelty has worn off a bit, so it's easier to look at the show with a critical eye.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw