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Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s?
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s?
(February 22, 2019 at 9:10 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: This was exactly the defense that Wollard fielded and why he rejected the felony plea.  He was in his own home, and he and members of his family were being threatened by a violent offender.  He fired a warning shot into the wall with no intention of hitting anyone, and he didn't hit anyone.  None of that matters, because what he did, even accepting his story as factual, was against the law.

Your appeal to a local hidden variable is pointless in any appraisal of the above reality.  Let's tackle it head-on, though.

Gun ownership, all by itself, increases rather than decreases the risk of homocide and suicide.  A gun in the home massibvely increases the chances that females in the home will be shot.  Guns intended for self defense are the leading category of guns involved in unintentional firearm deaths.  Even if we accepted the most inflated numbers that advocates put forward for "good guys with a gun" stopping crimes, the instances in which guns are used successfully for self defense is orders of magnitude lower than those same guns being turned against their own owners and other residents of the home.  The fbi ran a 13year study which found that in the course of the study they could only identify a single instance of a good guy with a gun stopping an active shooting, while in theat same time period 21 active shooting incidents were stopped by unarmed civvies.  Additionally, during that time, armed citizens qualitatively worsened mass shootings by either misidentifying the shooter and taking action, or being misidentified as the shooter, themselves (and we just had another one of these recently).  Carry states are shown to have a 10-15% higher rate of violent crimes involving guns, and employing a firearm in a robbery defense has not shown to have any noticeable benefits.  The likelihood of sustaining an injury during a robbery is precisely equal between people who pull a gun and people who take no defensive action.  

Running through all of that, is that a gun is more likely to be stolen and then used in a crime than it is to be employed in self defense - and this probably has alot to do with those guns for such being out and accessible to a thief by virtue of their intended use, as well as the number of unintentional firearm deaths.  

So...climb mount improbable for me, tell me how large of an invisible statistic would be required to balance out all of the abve, Yon?  Feel free to refer to your NRA talking points for alternative statistics, lol.  I don;t see how you could make the case otherwise, since the fabric of reality itself has joined in on the great libtard conspiracy to do...whatever.

Yeah, as usual you are trying to force me into the position of being a big gun rights advocate. I objected to bogus information that is being spewed out by gun control zealots. It would be nice to have an honest discussion, but gun control freaks are disingenuous. We've already discounted suicides in this discussion, because the rate of suicide in the US doesn't stand out when compared to the rate of suicide in other nations. So it seems that guns are the preferred method when available, but other methods are used when guns aren't.

You guys are obsessed with an issue that you are unlikely to ever prevail on. That's just a fact. The thing that pisses me off about that, is that it is so hard to turn you guys to more effective approaches to saving lives. You just aren't very interested in other stuff, because guns are your moral hobby.
We do not inherit the world from our parents. We borrow it from our children.
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Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by onlinebiker - February 13, 2019 at 8:48 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 13, 2019 at 9:07 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Rev. Rye - February 13, 2019 at 12:20 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Brian37 - February 13, 2019 at 9:11 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 13, 2019 at 10:05 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Brian37 - February 13, 2019 at 10:15 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 13, 2019 at 10:20 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Brian37 - February 13, 2019 at 10:30 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by onlinebiker - February 13, 2019 at 10:34 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by onlinebiker - February 13, 2019 at 9:26 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 13, 2019 at 9:50 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by downbeatplumb - February 13, 2019 at 2:19 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by onlinebiker - February 13, 2019 at 9:47 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by onlinebiker - February 13, 2019 at 10:01 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 13, 2019 at 10:15 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2019 at 10:03 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by onlinebiker - February 13, 2019 at 10:07 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 13, 2019 at 11:55 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 13, 2019 at 12:12 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 13, 2019 at 1:18 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by arewethereyet - February 13, 2019 at 12:40 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2019 at 10:09 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2019 at 10:20 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2019 at 10:21 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 13, 2019 at 10:39 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 13, 2019 at 10:46 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2019 at 10:44 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Divinity - February 13, 2019 at 10:58 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 13, 2019 at 11:03 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Divinity - February 13, 2019 at 11:14 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2019 at 10:59 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 13, 2019 at 11:08 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2019 at 11:06 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 13, 2019 at 11:19 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Anomalocaris - February 13, 2019 at 11:15 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by arewethereyet - February 13, 2019 at 11:18 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2019 at 12:15 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 13, 2019 at 12:36 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2019 at 12:24 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2019 at 12:38 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2019 at 12:45 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by onlinebiker - February 13, 2019 at 1:32 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Dr H - February 13, 2019 at 7:07 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 13, 2019 at 1:55 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 13, 2019 at 2:19 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 13, 2019 at 2:28 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 13, 2019 at 2:36 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 13, 2019 at 3:36 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by onlinebiker - February 13, 2019 at 3:42 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 13, 2019 at 4:04 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by onlinebiker - February 13, 2019 at 4:11 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 13, 2019 at 4:24 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Brian37 - February 13, 2019 at 4:21 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by onlinebiker - February 13, 2019 at 4:48 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 13, 2019 at 5:02 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Brian37 - February 13, 2019 at 5:04 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 13, 2019 at 5:20 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by onlinebiker - February 13, 2019 at 3:40 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Brian37 - February 13, 2019 at 5:14 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by onlinebiker - February 13, 2019 at 5:24 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Brian37 - February 13, 2019 at 5:37 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 13, 2019 at 5:39 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Dr H - February 13, 2019 at 6:33 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 13, 2019 at 6:56 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 13, 2019 at 7:22 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 13, 2019 at 7:15 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Brian37 - February 13, 2019 at 7:28 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 13, 2019 at 8:03 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 13, 2019 at 8:09 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Brian37 - February 13, 2019 at 8:48 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 13, 2019 at 9:15 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 14, 2019 at 7:12 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 14, 2019 at 7:19 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 14, 2019 at 7:29 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 14, 2019 at 7:42 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 14, 2019 at 7:47 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 14, 2019 at 7:51 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 14, 2019 at 7:58 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 14, 2019 at 8:16 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by onlinebiker - February 14, 2019 at 7:31 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Dr H - February 15, 2019 at 5:53 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 15, 2019 at 8:58 pm
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RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 13, 2019 at 7:23 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 13, 2019 at 7:38 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Brian37 - February 13, 2019 at 7:54 pm
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RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 13, 2019 at 8:54 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 13, 2019 at 8:56 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 13, 2019 at 9:10 pm
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RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Fireball - February 13, 2019 at 10:13 pm
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RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Fireball - February 13, 2019 at 11:56 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by onlinebiker - February 13, 2019 at 10:45 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Cecelia - February 14, 2019 at 2:01 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 14, 2019 at 7:41 am
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RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 14, 2019 at 9:12 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by onlinebiker - February 14, 2019 at 11:31 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 14, 2019 at 11:33 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 15, 2019 at 8:17 pm
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RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Amarok - February 15, 2019 at 10:33 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 15, 2019 at 11:31 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Amarok - February 16, 2019 at 12:20 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 16, 2019 at 1:09 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 16, 2019 at 6:49 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 16, 2019 at 7:31 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 16, 2019 at 7:36 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 16, 2019 at 7:53 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 16, 2019 at 7:54 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by GODZILLA - February 16, 2019 at 8:06 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Brian37 - February 16, 2019 at 8:34 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by GODZILLA - February 16, 2019 at 12:03 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Cecelia - February 16, 2019 at 12:47 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 16, 2019 at 8:38 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Brian37 - February 16, 2019 at 8:42 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 16, 2019 at 8:50 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Brian37 - February 16, 2019 at 9:07 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 16, 2019 at 9:49 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Brian37 - February 16, 2019 at 10:00 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 16, 2019 at 10:21 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 16, 2019 at 11:06 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 16, 2019 at 11:23 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 16, 2019 at 11:33 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by onlinebiker - February 16, 2019 at 11:28 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 16, 2019 at 11:48 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by The Grand Nudger - February 16, 2019 at 11:38 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 16, 2019 at 11:40 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by onlinebiker - February 16, 2019 at 11:56 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 16, 2019 at 12:36 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by The Grand Nudger - February 16, 2019 at 12:02 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by onlinebiker - February 16, 2019 at 12:17 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by The Grand Nudger - February 16, 2019 at 12:20 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 16, 2019 at 12:29 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by onlinebiker - February 16, 2019 at 12:59 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 16, 2019 at 1:03 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by onlinebiker - February 16, 2019 at 1:09 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 16, 2019 at 1:14 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by The Grand Nudger - February 16, 2019 at 12:51 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Jackalope - February 16, 2019 at 2:03 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 16, 2019 at 2:50 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Jackalope - February 16, 2019 at 2:53 pm
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 22, 2019 at 8:38 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 22, 2019 at 8:54 am
RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Yonadav - February 22, 2019 at 9:30 am
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RE: Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s? - by Amarok - February 22, 2019 at 2:20 pm

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