RE: Is atheism a belief?
March 1, 2019 at 2:17 am
(This post was last modified: March 1, 2019 at 2:23 am by Belacqua.)
(February 28, 2019 at 10:45 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Atheists are not in any defensive position simply because theists claim they believe in some crazy shit.
And you have enough confidence in the things you hold to be true that you can make this conclusion.
Please note that throughout this strange conversation I have never said your criteria for judgment are bad ones. Only that you have them.
(February 28, 2019 at 11:23 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: you would... you would... you would...
No I wouldn't.
(February 28, 2019 at 11:49 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Uhm.... Yes and no.
Well, you say "yes and no," and then everything else you say is perfectly in agreement with me. So I'm not sure where we're fighting.
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1) Lots of diety propositions have come to/been brought to my attention. None match the reality around me.
Zeuss does not live atop Mount Olypus (Unless the whole pantheon is really good at hiding).
Odin does not seem to have a 'World tree' any where in the Scandinavian countries (Again, possibly really good at hiding)
Abrahamic deity's can not be omnicient not omnepresent with out breaking things such as relativity and even, possible, causality.
2) My understanding of reality is good enough that can I put my pants on one leg at a time. I can walk and chew gum etc.
3) Yes. I posted why the propositions so far presented do not match the reality around me. Though as I've pointed out before. There's nothing preventiong some different type of diety that does match the reality around me to come along and present itself.
1) You know what Zeus and Odin would be like if they existed. You have to know this to think about whether they could exist or not.
2) You have a perfectly functional grasp of reality. And even the most esoteric philosopher operates the same way when he gets dressed in the morning.
3) Given #1 and #2, above, you are perfectly reasonable to conclude that they don't match up.
I've never said you were unreasonable in your conclusions. Only that you need some prior concepts in order to reach them.