Homosexuals and Heaven

[salty]

Immoral behavior is the misuse of the body, the mind and words, hence, bad conduct.

Human bodies aren't "made" for flying, so is that immoral?

Now you seem to be arguing that any sex not for procreation is wrong, that if it's just for pleasure then it's "wrong" or "not what it was intended for". But earlier you said

No, sex within marriage that does not yield children is not sinful. It's not sinful because the couple have the right organs to conceive, sadly their bodies are not properly functioning.

So is sex for pleasure fine, as long as it's between a person with testicles and means of delivering sperm, and a person with a uterus? Is any sex other than vaginal sex between two heterosexual people wrong? If a woman has had a hysterectomy is any sex she has wrong?

The flying thing I don't think makes a good example.

I believe I gave an example of fornication too, which is heterosexual sex that is immoral because it lacks loyalty, basically it states that having sex with no commitment is immoral because of the deception of it, which is similar to this phrase: "why buy the cow if you can get the milk for free?" This statement basically says that a person is more willing to rush over to a neighbors and get some milk without the payment of care, without the desire to "buy" their own cow, basically with the intention to take advantage of someone for as long as that person is willing, that is what sex without commitment is, and that is misuse of the mind (deceit) and body, immoral.

I don't care if someone says they "love" their heterosexual partner, if one or both are unwilling to commit to a marriage relationship, they are simply committing to using the body of another and deceiving a person into thinking they are valued, that is of course until something better comes along. Really if a person were really valued they would commit their lives to each other and stop trying to gain the pretend feeling of commitment by moving in, having kids, decorating a house and having sex, they would make their vows and announce to the world to keep them accountable for having a committed relationship. People try to complicate it, but marriage is precious and is intended for heterosexual people with the desire to stop using another person and instead to create a deep bond, deep loyalty, this may or may not include procreation, but should they desire it, their bodies were intended to support this desire.

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I think by this point we can all agree that salty is just a brain-addled God slave, has really stupid and ignorant views on this topic, is unable to qualify her position beyond basically shrieking 'THAT DOESNT GO THERE' and is unable to remove the Bible from her arsehole and form a reasonable opinion.

To pre-empt the predictable and incorrect response, nobody has dismissed out of hand any point you've made, salty. In fact, this conversation has gone on an embarrassingly long time considering the lack of reason you've displayed. No, we don't have to 'respect' points of view just because people hold them, if the reasons for holding them are abhorrent and based on nothing, like yours.

Looks to me like you've sunken so low as to attack me personally instead of maintaining that I have the right to my opinion, whether its bible based or not. Unless you're sticking up for yourself I don't see a reason for you to be so hostile about this subject. Is it because of your friends, someone you love? Haven't I made it clear that I do not express this view because I do not push my ways on others? Haven't I made it clear that my brother in law, my former boss, my coworker, my close friend are gay and yet I get along just fine with them? If they asked me I would definitely share my views, but it is not until now that I have approached the subject, actually...the entire reason I responded to this thread was to see if you El Dinero could still be respectful and friendly with me, even though I have a different position on this subject. You and the others talk about judgment, that I pass judgment on others while you pass judgment on me.

Read my posts and you'll soon learn what respect looks like, read your posts and I believe you will find the very definition of judgment.