RE: Is atheism a belief?
March 6, 2019 at 12:54 am
(This post was last modified: March 6, 2019 at 1:00 am by bennyboy.)
(March 5, 2019 at 11:51 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Nope. Your subjective experiences are your brain interpreting what you experience. Sensory input, referenced to learned memory. No mystery there.I don't need to define it. I just need to get out of bed in the morning, realize that I'm aware, and wonder why a universe with nothing but deterministic material objects and interactions would have mind as a property, under any system of organization, rather than not having it.
I see you actually know nothing about neuro-science. The concept of "mind" is unnecessary.
YOU are the one claiming you know there are "minds". You get to provide the evidence for them. You can't even define the word.
If you think mind isn't real, then I have to say that your motivations for typing on an internet forum are a little puzzling.
Quote:You have NOT ONE instance of a mind at work, in the absence of a healthy brain, AND we have countless examples of humans with healthy functioning brains, (what I assume you would call a mind) which, when injured or diseased, stop working and poof ... no more "mind".You toe the party line loudly enough, to be sure, but what you haven't done is explain how you would determine that any physical structure or function would allow for subjective awareness. Here's where I'm at, and you can tell me where our opinions diverge:
"Mind" is a long outdated word and concept, used by people with no knowledge of neuro-science.
Neurology and neuro-science knows what parts of the brain are responsible for its various functions. It's entirely physical. No woo-woo "mind" needed.
I have no criteria for a "mind". The concept has no meaning. A "mind" might be "the things that brains do".
There is not one instance of what USED to be called a mind, functioning in the absence of a healthy brain, and you cannot come up with one.
1) I know mind exists, because I experience ideas and feelings.
2) I believe that other minds exists, because I'm a person, and other people (for the most part) seem to act like I do in certain situations.
3) I know that brains exist, and that the human mind has a very close connection to the brain.
4) I do not know how the brain or any other physical system can allow for subjective experience.
5) I do not know why a supposedly deterministic material universe would have something like mind at all.
Unless, in your pointing to the brain, you can demonstrate on what level of organization mind supervenes, I do not know whether the elements of mind supervene on the entire brain, or certain kinds of information, or certain chemistry, or whether panpsychism is true. If panpsychism is true, then I would be tempted to say that the Universe itself represents both a massive mind AND a massive body, and I'd say that this would be so close to religious concepts of God that you could sensibly call it that.