(March 10, 2019 at 1:08 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote:(March 9, 2019 at 2:38 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: That's not really a good argument in favour of miracles. I can imagine plenty of miracles that God could perform without Jesus having to be physically present.
To take the two you mention, if Jesus can feed a multitude with a few fish and some bread, why haven't modern miracles been reported of large amounts of food suddenly appearing to feed the hungry? If Jesus can walk on water, why haven't we read about God miracle-ing that same ability into people trying to save a drowning child?
Boru
The act of multiplying the bread and fish is an act of creation and is something only God can do, the only other person in the bible that had done such an act was Moses, yet God had made Moses a 'god'.
And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. - Exodus 7:1
If you recall, Pharaohs magicians could preform almost every miracle that Moses did except for when Moses turned all the dust in Egypt into Gnats.
Quote:Exodus 8:16-19
Then the Lord said to Moses, “Tell Aaron, ‘Stretch out your staff and strike the dust of the ground,’ and throughout the land of Egypt the dust will become gnats.” They did this, and when Aaron stretched out his hand with the staff and struck the dust of the ground, gnats came on people and animals. All the dust throughout the land of Egypt became gnats. But when the magicians tried to produce gnats by their secret arts, they could not.
Since the gnats were on people and animals everywhere, the magicians said to Pharaoh, “This is the finger of God.”
(March 9, 2019 at 2:38 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If you want to insist that Jesus be corporeally present for miracles to occur, all well and good - you've got a basic right to believe whatever you like. It seems, however, that such a requirement severely limits the power of God. Or, is it your contention that miracles ended with the Ascension? If so, same objection.
What you don't seem to be factoring in is the faith requirement. So the question shouldn't be "why aren't there any miracles?", the question should be "why aren't there any people with enough faith?". As we get further and further away from the events in the scripture it becomes harder and harder to believe, hence why Jesus asked the question:
Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? - Luke 18:8
But (in the Bible, at least) people without faith - or at least without faith in the proper franchise - were witness to miracles, so faith hardly seems any more necessary for miracles to occur than does the physical presence of Jesus.
Nice try at moving the goalposts, though.
Boru
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