Sharia law anyone?

[Draconic Aiur]

Please. All religion is created for manipulation, control, and war. Everyone knows this, but you don't because apparently you have been brainwashed. As for me being ignorant, I think you should understand how violent a religious zealot be when a bunch of Muslims think they know how to treat women, Europeans, non Muslims. Sure there maybe a few golden eggs, but most Islamic people: the Suni and the Shia are psychopaths that go into a murderous rage when someone doesn't follow their laws or customs. Much like Christianity but Christianity is more watered down than it was in the past thanks to a wave of science and reason which they don't want to admit.

 Oh dear. Two sweeping generalisations, both unfounded, followed by an ad hominem attack

My position has long been that organised religion is the greatest confidence trick ever inflicted on the human race.   Yes, about power and control of which war is often a part., but I won't support the position that reason for religion is war.I think that position is simplistic and narrow minded..

'Everyone knows this' Well no, that's not quite right. That claim cannot be reasonably made even on this forum . Nor do I suspect billions of believers know any such thing. However, if you can prove that, knock yourself out

That I disagree with what is  essentially an ignorant and bigoted position does not mean  brainwashed. It actually suggests that I'm informed.

 You have made some rather foolish generalisations in which you demonise a billion people. THAT is called bigotry Sunshine.  Of course you will hotly deny such a claim. Bigots always do.

How did I become informed?

First I lived in a Muslim country, where I had many muslim friends. Not only were they not fanatics, they weren't even very devout, with most of the even drinking alcohol.  Women in the village I visited did not wear head coverings. The burqa is not seen on locale women in Malay villages or in Kuala Lumpur. Religion was simply not discussed by my friends just as it is not discussed socially in Australia.

My knowledge of Islam started at University, where I read the Quran as background  in studies of parts of  Islam . Those studies were part of  a degree course in Social anthropology.

 Now ,I don't know if you are really as ignorant as your post suggests. By all means tell me from whence comes your expert opinion on Muslim and Islam.I am of course  aware you could be quite well informed yet still be bigot.

 I expect you to  angrily deny my impression that you're a bigot.  That's fine, you have the last word. I have nothing further to say on this matter.

So in other words you have been brainwashed to see Islam is a religion of peace. Also you keep using literally terms to boost your sense ( I could say the same with your grammar), that the people who you were with were not trying to convert you with kindness, though it did work at least to make them out to be "holy" and sane. If you studied history like I have you know that all religion is manipulative and controlled by religious zealots in power or people who used the masses. Knowing this doesn't make me a bigot, it makes me knowledgeable about religion and human involvement in religion. While Islam may have some truths it's as old and outdated like Christianity, Hinduism, Paganism, Mormon, and Jewish (grandfather of all Abraham religions), etc.  It's mostly the fan clubs I don't like that rally to the written outdated pages like flies to a corpse and even the best people will turn into zealots in a blink of an eye if their outdated religion is attacked or not worshiped. Indeed in many countries atheist were attacked and lynched and now in modern times when we are becoming more skeptic do religious people feel oppressed and start lynching again because of the little voice in their head stating their doing gods will. How sane is that? How good is that? It is not and people like you who went to a Islamic dominant country and come back "enlightened" are only fooling yourself when you deny yourself of the fact every religious sect has dirt on them and their worshipers deny the dirt and favor political practices like when Americans say that "they live in a great country." If you truly are a social Anthropologist you would see the human condition in all forms of societies and be able to point out and outline the negative aspects of a society using social dogma to persuade people in their acceptance of societies lie. The people themselves have a code to follow and underneath their kind exterior they have inner beasts that can be channeled under a "good" and "holy" leader. Examples are of ISIS, the KKK, the Crusades, the Witch Trials, Waco, and much, much more. Unlike Christianity which as many sects, Islam practices invoke hours and hours to worship a god that they belief is in want of such practices and the labor to which to worship has surely psychological effects even in a multi cultural and modern world like ours that brainwashes and labels all those that aren't Muslim are unclean savages. You may disagree that not all are unclean savages but most of the fan club do and as you try to get friendly there will be a time where you will be proven dead wrong. The mentality of the far left that wants to protect Muslims has positive effects but like all things the far left do it becomes negative really quick with the oppression to call people bigots if their very critical of Islam. Muslims use this to convert more and control more while the far left blinds itself in it's political war. Muslims like Christians try to defend their holy book with misrepresentation, but we all know what bullshit looks like. So don't act all high and mighty just because you studied a Quran, turns out your bias is in the way of truth.