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Sudan scraps apostasy law and alcohol ban for non-Muslims
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Sudan scraps apostasy law and alcohol ban for non-Muslims
Sudan scraps apostasy law and alcohol ban for non-Muslims

After more than 30 years of Islamist rule, Sudan has outlined wide-reaching reforms including allowing non-Muslims to drink alcohol, and scrapping the apostasy law and public flogging.

"We [will] drop all the laws violating the human rights in Sudan," Justice Minister Nasredeen Abdulbari said.

A raft of new laws were passed last week but this is the first public explanation of their contents.

Sudan has also banned female genital mutilation (FGM).
Under the new laws, women no longer need permission from a male relative to travel with their children.
The reforms come after long-time ruler Omar al-Bashir was ousted last year following massive street protests.
The current government is an uneasy mixture of those groups which ousted Mr Bashir and his former allies in the military, who ultimately staged a coup against him.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-53379733
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RE: Sudan scraps apostasy law and alcohol ban for non-Muslims
these legal changes should make it easier to leave/criticize islam without having to fear reprisal from the government or islamist vigilantes.
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But nobody mentioned the huge dam Ethiopia is building, and threatens both Sudan and Egypt of thirst?

https://www.theguardian.com/global-devel...-dam-nears

Quote:“I believe in one, two, 10 … 100 years, this will cause instability in the region. These are the germs of instability, and it will cause a water war,” he says emphatically. “If not under this government then under another, as no population will see itself dying of thirst when they know that there is water very close by. This was my position when I quit, and every day since then I find more evidence that supports this.”

I think Sudan has bigger problems to face than a mere law about alcohol. And the people who buy this as "a progression of Sudan" should be ashamed: are you that stupid, to believe that a country facing a water-war, tons of wars in Darfur accompanied by a corrupt army-grip of the government; is progressing by allowing non-Muslims to purchase alcohol??

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(July 12, 2020 at 9:08 pm)WinterHold Wrote: But nobody mentioned the huge dam Ethiopia is building, and threatens both Sudan and Egypt of thirst?

https://www.theguardian.com/global-devel...-dam-nears

Quote:“I believe in one, two, 10 … 100 years, this will cause instability in the region. These are the germs of instability, and it will cause a water war,” he says emphatically. “If not under this government then under another, as no population will see itself dying of thirst when they know that there is water very close by. This was my position when I quit, and every day since then I find more evidence that supports this.”

I think Sudan has bigger problems to face than a mere law about alcohol. And the people who buy this as "a progression of Sudan" should be ashamed: are you that stupid, to believe that a country facing a water-war, tons of wars in Darfur accompanied by a corrupt army-grip of the government; is progressing by allowing non-Muslims to purchase alcohol??

Why are you talking about dams and water wars when that's not the subject of the thread?

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Well, I guess that's a good first step, but making laws and actually enacting them are two separate ballgames.
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(July 12, 2020 at 9:08 pm)WinterHold Wrote: I think Sudan has bigger problems to face than a mere law about alcohol. And the people who buy this as "a progression of Sudan" should be ashamed: are you that stupid, to believe that a country facing a water-war, tons of wars in Darfur accompanied by a corrupt army-grip of the government; is progressing by allowing non-Muslims to purchase alcohol??

Yes, I do. Would not changing the law have gotten them more water? No. Will changing the law get them more trade and tourism? Yes.

I see this kind of argument often: Why are we accepting refugees when we have homeless veterans? Why reform police when the black murder rate is so high? Why do anything if someone, somewhere, has a bigger problem?
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(July 13, 2020 at 5:59 am)Aoi Magi Wrote: Well, I guess that's a good first step, but making laws and actually enacting them are two separate ballgames.

I want to refer to the gullibility of people who consider this crap an evidence of "progression". Sudan has tons over tons of problems that include wars, tribal wars and even a civil war, water problems -as I showed in the previous post-, and etc, so talking about an alcohol law does seem like nothing more than an attempt to milk the western public opinion. I mean feed your people first and stop the civil/tribal wars.

So any person buying this is either ignorant concerning politics and the state of Sudan, or plain simply gullible.
i.e this is a mere old tactic to milk western public opinion.

(July 13, 2020 at 10:05 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:
(July 12, 2020 at 9:08 pm)WinterHold Wrote: I think Sudan has bigger problems to face than a mere law about alcohol. And the people who buy this as "a progression of Sudan" should be ashamed: are you that stupid, to believe that a country facing a water-war, tons of wars in Darfur accompanied by a corrupt army-grip of the government; is progressing by allowing non-Muslims to purchase alcohol??

Yes, I do. Would not changing the law have gotten them more water? No. Will changing the law get them more trade and tourism? Yes.

I see this kind of argument often: Why are we accepting refugees when we have homeless veterans? Why reform police when the black murder rate is so high? Why do anything if someone, somewhere, has a bigger problem?

Tourism ? I hope the tourists don't get kidnapped first.
You realize that the last time people protested in Sudan they got shot, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khartoum_massacre

Quote:Deaths
128+[1]

Perpetrators
Rapid Support Forces (RSF),[4] Janjaweed militias[3] and TMC security forces[3]



? so ain't speaking about an alcohol law lame? I mean Sudanese people are getting shot at sight when they protest !

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RE: Sudan scraps apostasy law and alcohol ban for non-Muslims
(July 13, 2020 at 10:11 am)WinterHold Wrote:
(July 13, 2020 at 5:59 am)Aoi Magi Wrote: Well, I guess that's a good first step, but making laws and actually enacting them are two separate ballgames.

I want to refer to the gullibility of people who consider this crap an evidence of "progression". Sudan has tons over tons of problems that include wars, tribal wars and even a civil war, water problems -as I showed in the previous post-, and etc, so talking about an alcohol law does seem like nothing more than an attempt to milk the western public opinion. I mean feed your people first and stop the civil/tribal wars.

So any person buying this is either ignorant concerning politics and the state of Sudan, or plain simply gullible.
i.e this is a mere old tactic to milk western public opinion.

(July 13, 2020 at 10:05 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Yes, I do. Would not changing the law have gotten them more water? No. Will changing the law get them more trade and tourism? Yes.

I see this kind of argument often: Why are we accepting refugees when we have homeless veterans? Why reform police when the black murder rate is so high? Why do anything if someone, somewhere, has a bigger problem?

Tourism ? I hope the tourists don't get kidnapped first.
You realize that the last time people protested in Sudan they got shot, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khartoum_massacre

Quote:Deaths
128+[1]

Perpetrators
Rapid Support Forces (RSF),[4] Janjaweed militias[3] and TMC security forces[3]



? so ain't speaking about an alcohol law lame? I mean Sudanese people are getting shot at sight when they protest !

Starvation, water shortages, attacks on protestors, wars and tourist kidnappings have NOTHING to do with the OP. 

Stop trolling.

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Sudan is making progress, then! At least on those two issues!

Whether alcohol is good or bad it shouldn't be banned. Whether Allah is real or not nobody should be forced to believe.
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(July 18, 2020 at 12:44 pm)Porcupine Wrote: Sudan is making progress, then! At least on those two issues!

Whether alcohol is good or bad it shouldn't be banned. Whether Allah is real or not nobody should be forced to believe.

That’s a silly remark - no one can be ‘forced to believe’ anything. They can be cajoled into believing and they can be forced into acting as if they believe, but belief itself is voluntary.

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