Homosexuals and Heaven

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Looks to me like you've sunken so low as to attack me personally instead of maintaining that I have the right to my opinion, whether its bible based or not. Unless you're sticking up for yourself I don't see a reason for you to be so hostile about this subject. Is it because of your friends, someone you love? Haven't I made it clear that I do not express this view because I do not push my ways on others? Haven't I made it clear that my brother in law, my former boss, my coworker, my close friend are gay and yet I get along just fine with them? If they asked me I would definitely share my views, but it is not until now that I have approached the subject, actually...the entire reason I responded to this thread was to see if you El Dinero could still be respectful and friendly with me, even though I have a different position on this subject. You and the others talk about judgment, that I pass judgment on others while you pass judgment on me.

Read my posts and you'll soon learn what respect looks like, read your posts and I believe you will find the very definition of judgment.

As I said, I do not have to respect opinions just because they are held, or people just because they exist. You have the RIGHT to it, but respect is earned. You started out with some, then you revealed your thick headed, offensive opinions and lost it all. A couple of other things:

1. The fact that you think I need to either be gay or be close to someone who is gay to find your opinion offensive is pathetic. I know some gay people, but my opinion isn't based on that. I don't know many black people, but racism offends me just as much.

That's good. Racism offends me too.

2. The fact that you can get along with people who are gay is irrelevant. You are still looking down your nose and judging them for what they are. You can try and avoid the comparison between homosexuals and black people if you want, but it's disingenuous. Your distinction has now moved to 'You can't SEE that someone is gay' - what does this have to do with anything? The fact remains that neither can, or should, change what they are. I can't believe I have to reiterate this point, because I have made it at least twice already. Read this carefully, and let it sink in: The only reason people have to 'come out of the closet' is because of people like you. The closet only exists because of people like you. Your religion has been building closets for centuries, and continues to build them, and you are PERSONALLY culpable for this. You. This is a societal construct based in religion. It does not make the act itself immoral. Get that through your thick head.

I maintain my view. I don't want the thread to shut down because of additional race comments, so let's stay away from that area for the moment.

Concerning my interactions with homosexuals. You've never seen me in person, you have no idea what my relationship is like with the people I know, gay or otherwise. It's this ignorance that makes your responses void, your hands are just flying and you think you know me based on this facet of me. There is so much more to a person than just what one topic can reveal, there is so much more to a person than just what you feel is "coming to light." If I didn't hold this belief I would have been done with you ages ago.

Throughout this discussion you shake your finger at me time and again, using foul language, insults and every cutting remark you can think of to say that I'm "wrong." Sounds awfully familiar to what you're accusing me of. When have I ever needed to stoop to a level based in verbal vomit, just to say I'm angry? Thank you for reminding me what hypocrisy looks like with your behavior, thank you for helping me remember what discrimination feels like, thank you for establishing a double-standard for this place, so that I continually feel unwelcomed, I'm sure there are other facets of you, that are good, I just can't see them right now.

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Really, it's very tiring for people to think that they could ever understand what it's like to experience racism (unless they have) and that I enjoy seeing any of you mentioing the KKK, which I had to watch out for while I was in school in Indiana. Let's place the racial situations behind us, because it will certainly have this thread shut down.

No one's saying they understand what it's like to experience racism, but the reason it is mentioned is because prejudice is prejudice, no matter how much you dress it up. If you don't like your views on homosexuality being compared to racism, perhaps it is time to rethink your position.

I see, that was a clear response! Yet, ethnicity is not based on attraction or sexual nature, this is the reason I don't like the comparison. I do see prejudice as prejudice. I agree there.