RE: America can you pls stop meddling in countries you have no busienss in.
March 25, 2019 at 9:49 am
(March 24, 2019 at 9:18 pm)fredd bear Wrote:(March 24, 2019 at 4:38 am)Equinox25 Wrote: That's fine. Then don't complain when we don't "meddle". And things go down the shitter. By this logic, imagine for a few seconds what would have happened if the United States said "fuck you, you're on your own" to Europe during World War 2.
I dislike American intervention as much as the next guy. And yes, I'm an American. But again, don't complain and blame us when things go downhill. Lots of us don't want to see our taxes being wasted on another country when we have plenty of our own problems back home.
Oh yeah, don't expect us to take in immigrants when things in said country go down the shitter either if you have this attitude.
America intervenes/interferes with the affairs of other nations because it is America's perceived best interest to do so.
The US went to to war with Japan because Japan attacked the US. No choice. Germany declared war on the US. Until that time , America's policy had ben isolationist, and probably would have remained so.
Since 1950, the US has been almost continuously involved in overseas conflict due to its basic gunboat diplomacy.
The most egregious interference was Vietnam. The US went because of its fatuous domino theory about the spread of communism. Had the US stayed out of Vietnam, the result would have almost certainly been the same, but without the level of Vietnamese deaths and of course, no US deaths.
Without US involvement in WW 2, Australia wold probably have have fallen to Japan, and the map of Europe would probably be very different.
I'm most pleased at how things worked out. However, nations never go to war on thee basis of moral values. They go to war because it is in their perceived best interest or because they are given no choice , as was was the case with WW2
We oversimplify history to a pretty ridiculous extent in my opinion. We tend to stick pushpins into historical events that tell a story of history that we are most comfortable with. For example, it is arguable that we were already at war with Japan before Pearl Harbor. We cut Japan off from their supply of oil, and without oil their militaristic regime could not survive. The Japanese understandably considered this to be warfare. And they no doubt felt sort of betrayed by us, because we had supported them in their aggression against Russia. So we fostered the formation of their militaristic regime. It is almost certainly true that we wanted Japan's militaristic regime to be our pitbull in that region of the world, and we thought that we could control them by controlling their access to resources that they needed to sustain their regime. They had no oil resources of their own, and we thought that we could control them through oil.
I don't agree the Vietnam was our most egregious interference. Vietnam was just the one that became publicly acknowledged as interference. Korea was ridiculously egregious. We forced a phony election down the throats of the South Koreans. And then we insisted that the government that was formed as a result of the obviously corrupt election was the one true government of all of Korea. To this day, oblivious people will insist that the 'lawfully' elected government of South Korea was the 'legitimate' government of Korea because it was the one recognized by the United Nations. But the United Nations shoved that utterly corrupt election down South Korea's throat. Korea was not ready for elections at that time. Quite frankly, I am pretty certain that if we had just given the Koreans a couple of more years to decide their own destiny, then the south would have reconciled with the north. But that would have probably made Kim Il-Sung the official top guy over all of Korea. Our meddling in Korea caused one of the greatest catastrophes in human history.
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