RE: Embellishments in the Gospel of Mark.
March 28, 2019 at 12:39 pm
(This post was last modified: March 28, 2019 at 1:03 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
They may have "gathered" nothing other than each others works and whatever common anecdotes were popular at the time. The q hypothesis states, effectively, that there was a group of cynic philosophers, and this movement can be traced back to 500bc at least...and that notions common to this movement formed the basis of whatever various authors attributed to whatever or whomever the gospel authors may have -assumed- to be historical..or just straight up made up.
I think that you might really want to curb the use of phrases like "no doubt exists" and..if the aim is to identify how we might -establish- a historical jesus, try to move beyond the point of assuming one as part of that process. Those two items lead directly to the failure of historians to identify a historical jesus in the first place, or even be able to agree on who it is they're trying to identify.
Hell, at some point, you may even want to consider whether the question is fundamentally malformed. When we discuss these things, are we actually working around the history of some man or the history of a story?
The question "how do historians hope to establish the authentic character of the person" may actually be "how do historians hope to establish the authentic motivations of the authors". That's a notoriously tricky one, right there. Authors have been known to sit in on classes with their own work as the subject and watch the lecturer get it completely wrong. Were the authors of those documents actually 2nd or 3rd gen christians, or is that simply the light in which history and culture (and, in this case, interested and revisionist authority - be that the early church or the progenitors of marcan priority and q hypothesis) have cast them?
Did plato really believe in atlantis? Did he really think that we used to have four legs and four arms and two heads?
I think that you might really want to curb the use of phrases like "no doubt exists" and..if the aim is to identify how we might -establish- a historical jesus, try to move beyond the point of assuming one as part of that process. Those two items lead directly to the failure of historians to identify a historical jesus in the first place, or even be able to agree on who it is they're trying to identify.
Hell, at some point, you may even want to consider whether the question is fundamentally malformed. When we discuss these things, are we actually working around the history of some man or the history of a story?
The question "how do historians hope to establish the authentic character of the person" may actually be "how do historians hope to establish the authentic motivations of the authors". That's a notoriously tricky one, right there. Authors have been known to sit in on classes with their own work as the subject and watch the lecturer get it completely wrong. Were the authors of those documents actually 2nd or 3rd gen christians, or is that simply the light in which history and culture (and, in this case, interested and revisionist authority - be that the early church or the progenitors of marcan priority and q hypothesis) have cast them?
Did plato really believe in atlantis? Did he really think that we used to have four legs and four arms and two heads?
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