I Don't Care

[I_am_not_mafia]

With all due respect? You know nothing about the struggle of trans people and you dehumanise their existence by refusing to see beyond their medical history or what they look like all the while complaining about being dehumanised yourself. And then you white knight a misogynist and transphobe because he claims to be transssexual. I'd accuse you of being a hypocrite but I suspect that you are actually willfully ignorant.

Have I ever attempted to dehumanize anyone, ever?  Did I refuse to see someone beyond their medical history or what they look like?  I don't think that happened.

I have to be straight up.  If a trans person made out with me, and I didn't know, I'd consider it a kind of sexual assault.  I don't know what I'd do-- maybe laugh and shrug my shoulders, maybe get violent.  

At the risk of being genderist, I saw enough to believe that trans women had some of the rapacious or aggressive tendencies that "normal" men have, and if that manifested the wrong way (say in someone trying to drug and trick me into a sexual encounter), I might potentially have reacted violently.  I was a pretty nice kid, but living on the streets can bring out the claws sometimes.

In general, if I wasn't high, and I thought I was making out with XX-female and you hadn't told me, I'd say my reaction would have been negative.  I feel the first kiss should be the cut-line: I'd want you to tell me before the first kiss, or I would feel that you had violated me.

You clearly see trans-women as men in disguise. This nullifies everything they have been through, their struggle to be accepted and erases part of their core identity. It detransitions them. This dehumanises them. No matter what you say, you cannot get away from this.

And this post of yours at the end of the thread tells me that nor do you want to think that you could ever end up sleeping with a transsexual.

Eh, I'm calling bullshit. I'm 100% certain if I was face-to-face with a vagina, I'd recognize if it was the real thing or not. There's so much going on there-- the textures, the smell (it changes from start to finish like a Willy Wonka's everlasting gobstopper), the milky lubrication if you're doing it right, the ways the muscles ripple during orgasm. You simply can't fake all of that.

I know for a fact that a straight transphobic man can sleep with a transsexual on repeated occasions and never know. I have seen it with my own eyes. Deny this and you are calling me a liar. I have also personally closely inspected two neo-vaginas and can tell you, unless you are a gynecologist, you would not know the difference. And by closely inspected I mean legs wide open on her back for my personal perusal.

Bennyboy please stop pretending to care about trans people. Your post above suggesting that the PC crowd are stopping trans people curing themselves with therapy leading them to self harm, presumably you mean by transitioning, shows you do not. You clearly think of trans women as men and that is the gravest insult you can give them. So cut it out and just be honest.

  I'm advocating for especial care in demeaning trans people, because I know about the psychological problems associated with gender dysphoria.  People aren't just born trans in the way that they're black or white, male or female-- the troubles run deeper than that-- and I don't think you will disagree with that, will you?

Absolute disagree 100%. Do you also advocate gay conversion therapy? After all, by your standards people aren't born gay therefore it can be counselled away. Whereas many transsexuals know from their earliest memories when they came to recognise that male and female exists, that they identified with the gender that they weren't assigned to at birth.

Thing is that I don't think that you are a hypocrite. I just think that you have completely the wrong idea about what transsexuality is. And considering how difficult it is even for most transsexuals to figure themselves out, I can't blame you for that.

Whatever you think about my motivations or my sincerity, can we not agree that calling people pieces of shit, or calling trans people "creature," are things we can live without? 

I'll happily agree to that.