RE: Didn't Nero launch Christianity?
April 15, 2019 at 3:38 pm
(This post was last modified: April 15, 2019 at 3:43 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 15, 2019 at 3:31 pm)Acrobat Wrote:(April 15, 2019 at 2:53 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Your list will invariably contain references to inauthentic paul, Acro..but that's neither here nor there, as we know for a fact that a significant number of early christians believed in a jesus that wasn't in any sense a real man and that alot of the christian traditions stories are derived from that group.
The only thing we could be debating is whether or not paul or those who wrote under pauls name were among them while leveraging the narratives. Or if he (or whomever), believing that jesus were a real man himself, accidentally used those narratives in ignorance.
No, there were no Christians early or otherwise who didn’t acknowledge a historical Jesus, so I don’t know what you’re talking about.
Even the gnostic sects that would have stood to gain the most out of a non-historical Jesus, recognized that he existed in the appearance of the flesh.
It would have been so easy for you to just look this up.
Quote:Marcion held Jesus to be the son of the Heavenly Father but understood the incarnation in a docetic manner, i.e. that Jesus' body was only an imitation of a material body, and consequently denied Jesus' physical and bodily birth, death, and resurrection.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcion_of_Sinope
Marcion was the first to introduce an early Christian canon. His canon consisted of only eleven books, grouped into two sections: the Evangelikon, based on Luke with parts removed that did not agree with his views,[10] and the Apostolikon, a selection of ten epistles of Paul the Apostle (also altered to fit his views),[10] whom Marcion considered the correct interpreter and transmitter of Jesus' teachings. The gospel used by Marcion does not contain elements relating to Jesus' birth and childhood, although it does contain some elements of Judaism, and material challenging Marcion's ditheism.
If you think that any of that is what anyone is talking about when they use the term "historical jesus"..then you should probably have looked that up too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus
The idea that there was a faith based around a story of a god that appeared to people which was later historicized is the mythicist position.
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