Anyone else ready for our first gay president?

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Or the proper moral decision could be to simply not lock the child away?

The problem with many people is that they think there are only two options to any situation.

There might be a third way.  My point was simply that locking a child in a cage for a limited period of time was less morally reprehensible than murdering even weaker and more vulnerable children, making the choice to vote for Trump quite easy.

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No, they are not mutually exclusive.  A person can behave in an immoral fashion and still behave in a moral fashion at other times.  Every person on this planet does that every single day.  We've all done wrong things at one point or another, and we've all done good things at one point or another.  They do not exclude one another.

You can look up Hillary Clinton's positions yourself.  And you can see some of the legislation that members of her party in New York & Virginia have put in place to make abortion up to the moment of birth and even immediately after birth...legal.  That's all publicly available information, and I believe YouTube videos of some of those discussions are available.

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But when your choices are between an immoral man who wants to do good for the country and avoid the legal murder of children vs. an immoral woman

"Immoral person"does not equal "person who did something immoral". You are backpedaling. Otherwise please explain how an immoral man can "behave in a moral fashion at times".

So, no an "immoral person" wont do good for the country if its not by accident, by the very nature of his/her character, which is fundamentally different from being a person who does immoral things, which basically applies to all of us. Now, comparing Trump, an immoral, or at least amoral person through and through, with Clinton, and saying you prefer Trump says a lot more about you than about Trump or Clinton, since their characters are already well known and documented (not saying Clinton is a very pleasant one, but nowhere near the ballpark of Trump).


The truth is, you dont give a fuck about who is an immoral character or not. Trump could be a mass murderer (and he already hinted at this with his famous quote about shooting people on 5th avenue iirc). As long as he supports a position that is important to you, you will give him carte blanche. The end justifies the means, thats your position, and in the end all the immorality will be forgiven, so it really doesnt matter, does it?

Yes, it does...as there is no one that is exclusively moral and no one that is exclusively immoral.  It necessarily refers to someone who did something immoral because cannot refer to someone who is exclusively immoral.  And in my mind at the time was his conduct related to women.  Having said that, there is no backpedaling.  You can gainsay all you want and pretend you know what I'm concerned about, but I'm telling you what ranks in my concerns.  And while I don't like Trumps personal character and find it deplorable, I feel even worse about Hillary Clinton's.  Taken together with their proposed policies, voting for Trump was an easy choice.