I think you have missed my point. You say the apostles were real, historical figures, and they clearly believed in the physical, historical Christ. This leaves two options; Jesus is real or they are lying. Which one will it be?
Kyu, your comments on Josephus do not prove that Josephus did not write about Christ. Indeed, it actually verifies the point I was making; of course the passage will not sound like Josephus if the style of the writer had to be dismantled to create a more Christian friendly version (he was quite anti-Christian I think).
Ledo, Origen was an early Church Father. He cited a Josephus passage mentioning Christ-and criticized it for being so anti-Christian. Also, your comments about the Jewish sources seem to be pure fantasy. Where is the evidence and why would the sources that are so anti-Christian not mention the fact that he was fiction (first thing I would do if I were them)?
Kyu, your comments on Josephus do not prove that Josephus did not write about Christ. Indeed, it actually verifies the point I was making; of course the passage will not sound like Josephus if the style of the writer had to be dismantled to create a more Christian friendly version (he was quite anti-Christian I think).
Ledo, Origen was an early Church Father. He cited a Josephus passage mentioning Christ-and criticized it for being so anti-Christian. Also, your comments about the Jewish sources seem to be pure fantasy. Where is the evidence and why would the sources that are so anti-Christian not mention the fact that he was fiction (first thing I would do if I were them)?
