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Divine Inspiration
RE: Divine Inspiration
(July 25, 2019 at 9:02 pm)Acrobat Wrote:
(July 3, 2019 at 11:34 pm)Fierce Wrote: If biblical writers had been divinely inspired by god, wouldn't their writings have matched what we know today according to science? Since it doesn't, clearly those men were only inspired by their imaginations.

No, because they had no real interest in scientific truths of the world. If they did, they probably would have wrote something  that looked like a textbook, rather than in the style of novels and stories.

Religions don’t exists to provide answers to the mechanics of the world, but to answer the question of what is there to live for.
Actually, the bible does not discredit science. When the bible says Adam and Eve--man, Garden, flowers, we can look at the geologic record and see that these things came to exist at the same time in history according to the geologic record and never prior. No big mystery to me. Yet, the earth went through an evolutionary process that predates flowers! The bible makes bold statements concerning nature and does not qualify them. When God taught these things there was no science. God, nor His Word, does NOT discredit observed science. Science discredits God's Word because they have no idea what was said. How could they when confused idiots try to pit theology with science. Such as YEC! The bible is most certainly NOT young earth!

(July 25, 2019 at 2:15 am)soldierofGod Wrote:
(July 11, 2019 at 10:02 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: But there are lots of languages from the 5th century that survive:  Greek, Chinese, Irish, Tamil, Hebrew and so on.  What you were asked, in essence, is why the final revelation of God was given only to a handful of desert nomads in a very small corner of the world. If the message was so bloody important, why didn't it also appear in Athens, Anyang, Waterford, Varanasi, Jerusalem, or any of a number of other places with higher literacy rates than Arabia?  Why wouldn't God deliver such a message to everyone , instead of a select few?

I'll give you a hint:  It's has something to do with religions being home-grown and there not being some supreme Lawgiver who gives a rat's charbroiled arse about humanity.

Boru

Quran, the Word of God
Proof 1- Evidence in the Creation

God created the Heavens and the Earth. After that He created man from clay giving him the best form *. To make Himself known, God uses signs in His creation. God says:

On Earth there are signs for those who have certainty. And in yourselves. Are you not going to see?
Quran 51: 20-21
That we truly create man in the best form
Quran 95: 4
Many architects, mathematicians and other researchers (Marcus Vitruvius, Adolf Seizing, Erns Neufert, Le Corbusier, etc.) realized that the human body and nature follow a single common ratio. This ratio is present in all creation, in every part, in every detail, included in the human being. This ratio is known as the Golden Number or Golden Ratio or Divine Proportion. It is represented by the Greek letter Phi (in honor of the Greek sculptor Phidias?). The Golden Number is mentioned in Quran by God (see below)

The ratio is equivalent to 1.618

This Golden Number consists of the sum of two measurements among themselves. When these measures are added together, a sequence is formed which is called the Fibonacci Sequence. This sequence was discovered by the Christian mathematician Leonardo Pisano (known by the name of Fibonacci) during the Middle Ages, in Pisa (now Italy). Fibonacci was educated in North Africa, later published the Liber Abacci with which he introduced the Indo-Arabic numbering system in Europe. Many sages (architects, sculptors, musicians, painters, mathematicians, philosophers, poets, etc.) were based on the works of Fibonacci (and the Indo-Arabic numbering system).
 
Fibonacci Sequence:
1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55, ...

Basically this sequence of Fibonacci is done by adding the last two numbers (in bold) starting with 1:
1 + 1 = 2 + 1 = 3 + 2 = 5 + 3 = 8 + 5 = 13 + 8 = 21 + 13 = 34 + 21 = 55 ...

To give form to this sequence, the Fibonacci Spiral is used, which consists of a set of connected quarter-circles drawn within a series of squares (called a golden rectangle) regulated by Fibonacci numbers. This form is found in all creation and in the human being itself.

This ratio is used by many architects, painters, composers, designers, etc. as a basis for their masterpieces to create the most beautiful shapes and figures in the face of human perception. This Golden Number is irrational but it is generally 1.6.
You can see the Golden Number and its sequence in the creation and man itself (search images).
That said, as I said before, this Number or Golden Reason is mentioned by God in the Qur'an.

It is true that the first House that was erected for men was that of Bakka (Mecca), blessed and a guide for all the worlds.
Koran 3:96
But, what is the relationship between the Gold Number and Mecca?
The Mekka was built by Adam, the first man, and later destroyed by the Flood. It was rebuilt by Abraham and his son Ishmael by order of God. With time it was filled with idolatry and with Muhammad it was reestablished again to monotheism. Mecca was the first human settlement, it has always been there. Mecca is the city of God.
Precisely this Golden Ratio or Divine Proportion, if applied on Earth (map), it results in the location of Mecca on Earth (search in map image).
 
Verse 96 of Sura 3 contains 47 words. From the beginning of the verse to the word Bekkat (Mekka) there are 29 words, that is 47/29 = 1.6 (the Golden Number). From the word Bekkat to the end of the verse there are 18 more words, that is 29/18 = 1,6. God says in the Koran:
And [by] this secure city [Makkah], We have certainly created man in the best form
Quran 95:3-4
In the original text (Arabic, original language) verse 95:4 God(Allah) says about the creation of man:

We have certainly created man* in the best form
Quran 95:4
1.Mankind
In Arabic this verse contains 25 letters. From the beginning of the verse to the word alinsan (mankind) there are 15 letters, that is 25/15 = 1,6 (the Golden Number). The connection between the form * and the Gold Number is undeniable.

Verily, We have sent it down as an Arabic Quran in order that you may understand.
Koran 12:2 [Traduction by Mohsin Khan]

Do you understand now why the translated version is far from the true Qur'an? The Bible long ago moved away from its original message when it was translated from Aramaic, not to mention human misrepresentations during the process.
A non-Arabic Koran is no longer the Koran, the Word of God.

According to Averroes (Ibn Rushd), Muslim philosopher and doctor of the Middle Ages, he affirmed that there are two ways to reach God: through Philosophy (Reason) and Religion (Islam).
Philos means in Greek language ‘love’, that is, ‘beauty or wonder’ (before the human perception). Reason comes from the Old French ‘reisun’, of a variant of ‘ratio, rationis’ (Latin) that means ‘calculation, reckoning’.

Many are amazed by works created from clay/ground of the earth by men, but few reflect on their creation(from clay) and what is around them(in the earth). God honored and blessed the man by giving him the best of form among his creatures. This proves the existence of an Intelligent Designer, of a Creator, of God.

They asked the Prophet Muhammad: What is your miracle? The Prophet, peace be upon him, answered: the Qur'an.
-Why in Arabic and not another language?
-Why in Mecca and not somewhere else?
-Why in an illiterate desert tribe and not others?
I think these questions have already been answered.
How did Muhammad, an arabian illiterate pastor of the desert, know all this if mathematics and numbers were still very primitive in his time? It was simply inspired by the Lord of the Worlds.
The Koran, revealed more than 1400 years ago in the middle of the desert and ignorance.
 
On Earth there are signs for those who have certainty. And in yourselves. Are you not going to see?
Quran 51: 20-21
Oh Man[kind]! What separated you from your Lord, the Generous? The One Who created you, formed you and balanced you, giving you the shape He wanted.
Koran 82: 6-8
 
Now judge for yourselves and:

So what yet causes you to deny the Judgment? Is not God the most just of judges?
Koran 95:7-8
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6L-f0YHRGM
I've always used the Fibonacci sequence and spiral as a mental toys to play with. Since then I have been introduced to vortex math and fractal geometry. Way more fun!
My girlfriend thinks I'm a stalker. Well...she's not my girlfriend "yet".

I discovered a new vitamin that fights cancer. I call it ...B9

I also invented a diet pill. It works great but had to quit taking it because of the side effects. Turns out my penis is larger and my hair grew back. And whoa! If you think my hair is nice!

When does size truly matter? When it's TOO big!

I'm currently working on a new pill I call "Destenze". However...now my shoes don't fit.
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Divine Inspiration - by Foxaèr - July 3, 2019 at 11:34 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Anomalocaris - July 3, 2019 at 11:51 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 4, 2019 at 5:34 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Foxaèr - July 4, 2019 at 5:48 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Anomalocaris - July 4, 2019 at 10:47 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by no one - July 4, 2019 at 6:00 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by ignoramus - July 4, 2019 at 6:54 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by soldierofGod - July 4, 2019 at 10:44 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by brewer - July 4, 2019 at 11:20 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by soldierofGod - July 4, 2019 at 12:41 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by brewer - July 4, 2019 at 1:40 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Athene - July 4, 2019 at 2:13 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by brewer - July 4, 2019 at 5:03 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by The Valkyrie - July 4, 2019 at 5:25 pm
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RE: Divine Inspiration - by The Valkyrie - July 4, 2019 at 5:58 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by brewer - July 4, 2019 at 7:16 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by soldierofGod - July 4, 2019 at 6:15 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by chimp3 - July 4, 2019 at 6:22 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by soldierofGod - July 4, 2019 at 6:27 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by The Valkyrie - July 4, 2019 at 6:29 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by soldierofGod - July 4, 2019 at 7:03 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by The Valkyrie - July 4, 2019 at 7:06 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by chimp3 - July 4, 2019 at 6:40 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by soldierofGod - July 4, 2019 at 6:51 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 4, 2019 at 6:54 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by chimp3 - July 4, 2019 at 7:01 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Fake Messiah - July 4, 2019 at 10:45 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Cod - July 4, 2019 at 2:34 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by The Valkyrie - July 4, 2019 at 3:29 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by soldierofGod - July 4, 2019 at 6:23 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by The Valkyrie - July 4, 2019 at 6:25 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Cod - July 4, 2019 at 6:26 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 4, 2019 at 6:30 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by soldierofGod - July 4, 2019 at 6:54 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 5, 2019 at 4:19 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by soldierofGod - July 9, 2019 at 4:04 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by LadyForCamus - July 9, 2019 at 4:16 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by soldierofGod - July 9, 2019 at 5:59 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by LadyForCamus - July 9, 2019 at 6:01 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 9, 2019 at 6:20 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by chimp3 - July 4, 2019 at 6:03 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by soldierofGod - July 4, 2019 at 6:06 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by chimp3 - July 4, 2019 at 6:08 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Succubus - July 4, 2019 at 1:10 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by tackattack - July 4, 2019 at 1:20 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 4, 2019 at 2:47 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Anomalocaris - July 4, 2019 at 8:22 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by LastPoet - July 4, 2019 at 3:35 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Succubus - July 4, 2019 at 3:56 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Fake Messiah - July 4, 2019 at 5:56 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by The Valkyrie - July 4, 2019 at 7:02 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by soldierofGod - July 4, 2019 at 7:11 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by The Valkyrie - July 4, 2019 at 7:24 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Foxaèr - July 5, 2019 at 12:12 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Nay_Sayer - July 5, 2019 at 1:34 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by The Grand Nudger - July 5, 2019 at 9:15 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Mister Agenda - July 5, 2019 at 11:16 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by The Grand Nudger - July 5, 2019 at 11:45 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by tackattack - July 5, 2019 at 11:38 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Mister Agenda - July 5, 2019 at 11:57 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by tackattack - July 5, 2019 at 12:21 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Foxaèr - July 5, 2019 at 12:41 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Abaddon_ire - July 5, 2019 at 3:27 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Haipule - July 27, 2019 at 12:26 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by The Grand Nudger - July 5, 2019 at 12:37 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 5, 2019 at 12:41 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by The Grand Nudger - July 5, 2019 at 3:29 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Fake Messiah - July 5, 2019 at 4:06 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Haipule - July 5, 2019 at 8:12 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Fake Messiah - July 5, 2019 at 11:17 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Drich - July 8, 2019 at 4:12 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Acrobat - July 8, 2019 at 9:44 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by tackattack - July 9, 2019 at 9:58 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Fake Messiah - July 9, 2019 at 11:12 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by vulcanlogician - July 9, 2019 at 9:59 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by tackattack - July 9, 2019 at 4:43 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by arewethereyet - July 9, 2019 at 5:24 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Fake Messiah - July 9, 2019 at 5:43 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by LadyForCamus - July 9, 2019 at 4:50 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by The Valkyrie - July 9, 2019 at 5:16 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by tackattack - July 11, 2019 at 9:56 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by LadyForCamus - July 11, 2019 at 10:21 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by tackattack - July 15, 2019 at 12:14 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by LadyForCamus - July 16, 2019 at 11:33 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Grandizer - July 15, 2019 at 12:29 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 15, 2019 at 7:10 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Godscreated - August 6, 2019 at 3:27 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Grandizer - August 6, 2019 at 5:15 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Abaddon_ire - August 6, 2019 at 4:27 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by soldierofGod - July 9, 2019 at 6:34 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Athene - July 9, 2019 at 7:02 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Fireball - July 9, 2019 at 7:49 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by The Valkyrie - July 9, 2019 at 8:12 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by soldierofGod - July 11, 2019 at 4:02 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 11, 2019 at 4:21 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by LadyForCamus - July 9, 2019 at 9:07 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by soldierofGod - July 11, 2019 at 7:09 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by LadyForCamus - July 11, 2019 at 9:32 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 11, 2019 at 10:02 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by LadyForCamus - July 11, 2019 at 12:17 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 11, 2019 at 1:00 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by soldierofGod - July 25, 2019 at 2:15 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by LastPoet - July 25, 2019 at 8:27 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Grandizer - July 25, 2019 at 10:38 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by soldierofGod - July 25, 2019 at 1:46 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Grandizer - July 25, 2019 at 5:47 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Stoneheart - August 6, 2019 at 8:40 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 6, 2019 at 9:00 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Stoneheart - August 6, 2019 at 9:06 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Succubus - August 6, 2019 at 9:32 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Abaddon_ire - August 7, 2019 at 1:30 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Stoneheart - August 7, 2019 at 1:50 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Abaddon_ire - August 7, 2019 at 2:48 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Stoneheart - August 8, 2019 at 8:57 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by tackattack - July 15, 2019 at 1:32 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Grandizer - July 15, 2019 at 7:01 pm
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RE: Divine Inspiration - by Grandizer - July 16, 2019 at 10:46 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by The Grand Nudger - July 16, 2019 at 11:57 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by tackattack - July 16, 2019 at 1:49 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by LadyForCamus - July 16, 2019 at 2:18 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by tackattack - July 16, 2019 at 3:21 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by soldierofGod - July 25, 2019 at 1:41 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Anomalocaris - July 25, 2019 at 1:48 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by The Valkyrie - July 25, 2019 at 3:28 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2019 at 12:14 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by soldierofGod - July 25, 2019 at 2:48 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Haipule - July 25, 2019 at 11:37 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by soldierofGod - July 30, 2019 at 2:48 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by vulcanlogician - July 30, 2019 at 5:59 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by soldierofGod - July 31, 2019 at 7:36 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by vulcanlogician - July 31, 2019 at 7:53 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by soldierofGod - July 31, 2019 at 9:52 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by tackattack - July 25, 2019 at 12:17 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2019 at 12:34 pm
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RE: Divine Inspiration - by Acrobat - July 25, 2019 at 9:02 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Fake Messiah - July 25, 2019 at 11:21 pm
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RE: Divine Inspiration - by Fake Messiah - July 27, 2019 at 3:56 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Acrobat - July 27, 2019 at 5:01 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Haipule - July 27, 2019 at 2:08 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by The Valkyrie - July 30, 2019 at 4:48 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2019 at 9:51 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2019 at 6:57 am
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RE: Divine Inspiration - by Stoneheart - August 6, 2019 at 8:56 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2019 at 9:05 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by LadyForCamus - August 6, 2019 at 9:32 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Stoneheart - August 6, 2019 at 9:33 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by The Valkyrie - August 6, 2019 at 9:38 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Stoneheart - August 6, 2019 at 9:44 pm
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RE: Divine Inspiration - by Stoneheart - August 6, 2019 at 9:51 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2019 at 10:09 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Stoneheart - August 6, 2019 at 10:10 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Succubus - August 6, 2019 at 10:39 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Stoneheart - August 6, 2019 at 10:54 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Stoneheart - August 6, 2019 at 11:11 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Succubus - August 6, 2019 at 11:10 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Succubus - August 6, 2019 at 11:16 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Stoneheart - August 6, 2019 at 11:23 pm
RE: Divine Inspiration - by The Grand Nudger - August 8, 2019 at 9:09 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Stoneheart - August 29, 2019 at 7:35 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by The Grand Nudger - August 29, 2019 at 7:50 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Stoneheart - August 30, 2019 at 4:30 am
RE: Divine Inspiration - by Acrobat - August 30, 2019 at 5:05 am
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