RE: Deconversion and some doubts
July 27, 2019 at 8:40 am
(This post was last modified: July 27, 2019 at 8:49 am by vulcanlogician.)
(July 27, 2019 at 4:20 am)Acrobat Wrote: No, I was referring to things I’m tempted to do, and the barrier between doing it and not doing it, is that conscience voice, telling us that something is wrong.
And the barrier between us thinking 2+2=5 is social conditioning. Understanding of mathematics has nothing to do with it. Even if you have a PhD in mathematics, once you begin to reject social conditioning, you are bound to accept some absurdity like 2+2=5. Is that what you're saying?
The fact is, people are conditioned to think that 2+2=4. But to say 2+2 equalling 4 is a product of conditioning (and nothing more) is a misstatement.
Quote:I’m saying in those situations just snuff that voice out, reminding yourself that it’s a product of social of cultural conditioning, and should have no real authority over what you do or don’t do.
Or you could just do what critical thinkers do. Examine the claim for its truth value. Listen to arguments that conclude that X is true. Listen to arguments that conclude that X is false. Make a determination as to which argument is stronger. And from there, if you feel confident enough, make judgments according to the truth you have discovered. Here are some examples: 1) There is nothing morally wrong with homosexuality. 2) Rape is always a moral transgression. --Those who are "conditioned" to think the Bible is inerrant will reject both of those moral propositions. I happen to think both propositions are sound. And it has nothing to do with my conditioning.
Quote:Do I think peoples behaviors would change if they truly believed this about that voice in their head, about our supposed moral compass, our conscious, etc..? Sure, but luckily for us most people don’t, and think it is a true voice of moral authority over their lives.
What is morally true is morally true regardless of what most people think or do. Or maybe things are morally false... still-- the layman's moral compass doesn't have shit to do with what is right or wrong. It's not even worth bringing up. Your assumption is that most people are moral. That's not true. "Most people" are obedient; "most people" are conformists. Put "most people" under the rule of a Nazi regime and this will become painfully clear.
