RE: Is God a logical contradiction?
July 29, 2019 at 4:11 pm
(This post was last modified: July 29, 2019 at 4:12 pm by Anomalocaris.)
(July 29, 2019 at 3:59 pm)comet Wrote:(July 29, 2019 at 3:48 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Again, what is "matter"? Are all particles "matter"? Are virtual particles matter?
For sake of argument, let's material is a subset of what exists. There are thing we know to exist but which we would not call matter. Since all we know to exist are particles, let's say some of those particles are by our definition not matter. Otherwise intelligence based on immaterial would be excluded not by reason or logic, but by definition. Argument by definition is futile.
Neuron is a thing which we know could facilitate the emergence of intelligence. However, we are not particularly good yet at predicting what emergent properties are possible in large system over long time horizons, it seem premature to exclude the possibility that intelligence like behavior can emerge from systems of particles and virtual particles that bear little resemblance or analogy to neurons.
We don't see how it can, at least we don't think it easily can. But given very large systems and very long time spans, what doesn't happen easily still can't be excluded. So where does that leave us?
To say it definitely can and we may bet on it, that would be wrong. But to say it is absolutely impossible would also be wrong.
describe the system we are in to the best of our ability. What word or notion describes the system we are immediately surrounded by?
List a few ideas and put them side by side to see what ones are more valid. This validity scale would not be absolute. The scale would have to be relative. That being, what ones are more/less valid than others. not that there is even a single answer.
I stay with in earth/sun system. its simple and empirical.
Words or notions that offer an explanation, make repeatable predictions, and have a mechanism are more valid than ones that don't ... period. it doesn't matter how we feel about the word god or the universe.
It is one thing to evaluate which proposition is more immediately subject to validation, and so can contribute more immediately to advancing the state of the art in knowledge at this moment. It is another to list all proposition which can eventually, in theory, be subjected to validation. The latter group gives a more global view of where we are, and offer more hints about where we might be going beyond the next few steps.