(July 30, 2019 at 5:59 am)vulcanlogician Wrote:(July 30, 2019 at 2:48 am)soldierofGod Wrote: I have never said that Mecca was the first city or the oldest city. I said it was the first human settlement (Adam and his children). The Mecca (Kabah) was destroyed with the Flood. Noah's ark fell on Mount Yudi, there is still the mark of the ark on that hill (present-day Turkey, Mount Ararat). God led Abraham to where Mecca was previously to rebuild it. Obviously when Abraham rebuilt it there were already cities. And with Muhammad God completed His Message to all the children of Adam who moved away, with time, from their point of origin.
And certainly we preserve the boat so that it will last as a sign. Will there be someone to reflect?
[al-Qamar 54: 9-15]
I think that if it makes you feel better and more validated as a person to walk around an arbitrary cube in Saudi Arabia, then go walk around that arbitrary cube. Even as an atheist I support any inner strength that your endows you with.
I'll never walk around that arbitrary cube myself, but I love the fact that when you do it, it fulfills you.
I feel the same way about two gay guys having sex. I like the fact that it fulfills them, even though I don't wish to walk around that particular cube, is enough for me to pronounce it good.
I hope you and other Muslims will circumnavigate the arbitrary cube and be fulfilled.
I'll eat ham sandwiches (fried ham with mustard). I'll drink beer. And I'll have butt sex on occasion with my lovers. Too bad these awesome and fun activities are forbidden by your holy book.
You might think that I deny your holy book just to enjoy ham and anal. But that's not what I'm doing. I'm enjoying ham, beer, and, anal and your holy book is the last thing on my mind. I like that your holy book grants you serenity. And if you were ever around me, I would respect you and your religious practices. I'm happy that your religion helps you through life .
The only real substantive discussion you and I might have is whether your religion/holy book is true or whether your God (as you understand him) exists.
So if you don't believe in God and the creation of Adam, the question is: where does the human being come from according to you? The end of time is approaching, I think we already live in those (final) times. We live in the days of the antichrist. The Prophet Muhammad warned about the Antichrist (Dajjal) that he would deceive people at the end of time by teaching the opposite of what the Prophets of God taught. All the Prophets of God warned their people about the Antichrist, even Noah. The last Prophet described the Antichrist as one-eyed. People follow him without even noticing. The Antichrist will proclaim God spreading terror in the name of peace.
Right now you are following the Antichrist with what you have told me without realizing it, only by following God can you get out of the religion of the imposter.