Deconversion and some doubts

[GrandizerII]

Doesn't change the fact that social powers can have an impact on people and condition people to think in line with the current zeitgeist. The oughts we get continue to come from us, not from a silent ideal out there in a remote realm.

“Woe to those who call evil good and good evil”.

A verse which was written by members of an ancient human society.

What social powers often do is call bad things good and good things bad. Since good and bad are objective truths, what they’re doing is selling a lie, a deception to what’s true, sort of like convincing people that 9/11 was an inside job, and not like convincing people to change their fashion style.

Yes society isn't perfect and will distort the facts sometimes. That's human society for you.

If you wanted to convince someone to do something thats objectively bad, just lie and convince them that’s it good, and not bad

Yeah if you want to be a bullshitter, sure. Go for it.

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But what exactly is theistic that you see about this view?

I consider any view of reality as teleological, possessing some sort of intrinsic goal, or aim, meaning, more like a narrative, a story, as opposed to some sort of nihilistic view, as theistic.

If the Good exists, I desire to serve, worship, submit to it, to share in it, be like it, etc.. I would see it as the way the truth, and the life.

I would see all that stands in opposition to the Good, as in a state of rebellion, broken, in need of redemption, to be whole again.

Now perhaps you disagree with this definition of theism, and believe I can hold such beliefs and not fall into either category. If so I’m okay with that, remaining undefined, because we don’t share the same understanding of terms like theism, or god.

I'm still not sure how that works worshipping something that isn't feeling the worship because they're just an ideal, but you do you.