(August 1, 2019 at 6:27 am)Acrobat Wrote:(August 1, 2019 at 12:35 am)Grandizer Wrote: I'm still not sure how that works worshipping something that isn't feeling the worship because they're just an ideal, but you do you.
God feeling something from our worship, would violate Gods impassibility , a position held by most forms of classical and traditional theism.
The God that you worship is nothing more than an ideal, a passive impersonal entity that speaks no words and has no say in our affairs.
Quote:Quote:Yes society isn't perfect and will distort the facts sometimes. That's human society for you.
Yes, a distortion of facts, not some such subjective shift.
Both things can happen. It's not just one or the other.
Quote:As I indicated that it’s the recognition of something being morally wrong, that I recognize that I ought not do it.
And yet you can't even explain why something is morally wrong, you haven't done so in this and past interactions with you, and I doubt you ever will.
Quote:Something that you and Gae suggest otherwise, by suggesting that while right and wrong are objective truths, not the subjective creations of a society, the recognization that I ought not do things that are wrong are.
Well, you haven't really explained how this "recognization" transcends your mere experiences into something beyond the material world. So I don't feel compelled to shift my views on this matter in light of what you're saying, because you're not really saying much that is in line with what can be observed.
Quote:So far you failed to support this, and just seem to constantly find yourself with your foot in your mouth
I gave you examples, which all you did was handwave and insist on your opinion that society has no sway on what people ought to do or not do.
Quote:You want to have your cake and eat it to, by trying to having objective good and bad, and subjective oughts, a belief that renders your supposed moral theory as incoherent and contradictory.
Oh well, suit yourself. When you are willing to explain to me what is it about stealing that makes it wrong, then get back to me.