Deconversion and some doubts

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I gave you examples, which all you did was handwave and insist on your opinion that society has no sway on what people ought to do or not do.

And I pointed that you’re saying here is inaccurate, by indicating that sway you’re referring to is in regards to what people see as good and bad. Society has sway on what people think is true, in believing false things instead of true things, same from sway when it comes to morality.

Society can sway people to think that bad things are good things, and vice versa.

You and I both accept that morally good and bad are objective truths, society can’t sway what is true, just conceal, distort it, or fool us into believing a lie.

The God that you worship is nothing more than an ideal, a passive impersonal entity that speaks no words and has no say in our affairs.

I find the Good to be intrusive, and personal, even if seen as no more than an existing ideal, like moral good, than an entity. As a dad, I find nothing more invasive, confrontational, demanding, of that of being a “good” father, failures produce guilt and tension. Good doesn’t have to change or move, or do anything. The invasive and penetrating effect it has is a result of how acute my recognition of it is.

And yet you can't even explain why something is morally wrong, you haven't done so in this and past interactions with you, and I doubt you ever will.

I’m just acknowledging what it is I see in front of me, not explaining how it is it got there. I don’t need to have an explanation of how the Sun got here in the morning, to recognize it in the morning.

You and I both recognize that right and wrong are objective, just like you and I can acknowledge the sun staining out my window. I am merely having discussion about what is it that we’re perceiving here, rather than work out some origin story for it.

On that question, I don’t have much a view to offer you.