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The Historical Christ
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RE: The Historical Christ
@Kyu

I'm fascinated by the constant reference to Josephus. Essentially a Roman apologist,he is not a writer to whom I would turn as a prime source on anything.


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Quote:Historian E. Mary Smallwood wrote:

(Josephus) was conceited, not only about his own learning but also about the opinions held of him as commander both by the Galileans and by the Romans; he was guilty of shocking duplicity at Jotapata, saving himself by sacrifice of his companions; he was too naive to see how he stood condemned out of his own mouth for his conduct, and yet no words were too harsh when he was blackening his opponents; and after landing, however involuntarily, in the Roman camp, he turned his captivity to his own advantage, and benefitted for the rest of his days from his change of side.[10]

Josephus' credibility as a historian is questionable — his works are usually dismissed as Roman propaganda or as a personal or Jewish apologetic, aimed at rehabilitating his reputation in history. More recently, commentators[who?] have reassessed previously-held views of Josephus. As P.J. O'Rourke quipped:

Reason dictates we should hate this man. But it's hard to get angry at Josephus. What, after all, did he do? A few soldiers were tricked into suicide. Some demoralizing claptrap was shouted at a beleaguered army. A wife was distressed... all of which pale by comparison to what the good men did. For it was the loyal, the idealistic and the brave who did the real damage. The devout and patriotic leaders of Jerusalem sacrificed tens of thousands of lives to the cause of freedom. Vespasian and Titus sacrificed tens of thousands of more to the cause of civil order. Even Agrippa II, the Roman client king of Judea who did all he could to prevent the war, ended by supervising the destruction of half a dozen of his cities and the sale of their inhabitants into slavery. How much better for everyone if all the principal figures of the region had been slithering filth like Josephus.[11]
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The Historical Christ - by dagda - April 8, 2009 at 4:35 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by Kyuuketsuki - April 8, 2009 at 7:31 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by dagda - April 8, 2009 at 10:06 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by Kyuuketsuki - April 8, 2009 at 11:51 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by Tiberius - April 8, 2009 at 12:54 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by dagda - April 8, 2009 at 2:26 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by Kyuuketsuki - April 8, 2009 at 4:20 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by LukeMC - April 16, 2009 at 11:34 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by fr0d0 - April 8, 2009 at 5:34 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by Tiberius - April 8, 2009 at 10:10 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by fr0d0 - April 9, 2009 at 2:44 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by Giff - April 10, 2009 at 7:32 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by dagda - April 10, 2009 at 9:32 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by leo-rcc - April 10, 2009 at 9:52 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by lilphil1989 - April 10, 2009 at 9:58 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by leo-rcc - April 10, 2009 at 10:00 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by dagda - April 10, 2009 at 3:18 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by Tiberius - April 10, 2009 at 6:42 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by padraic - April 10, 2009 at 9:09 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by dagda - April 11, 2009 at 9:13 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by Giff - April 12, 2009 at 3:18 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by Giff - April 17, 2009 at 5:33 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by dagda - April 18, 2009 at 9:48 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by Giff - April 20, 2009 at 10:47 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by g-mark - April 22, 2009 at 4:38 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by Kyuuketsuki - April 22, 2009 at 6:24 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by Edwardo Piet - April 22, 2009 at 10:02 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by padraic - April 22, 2009 at 5:26 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by padraic - April 22, 2009 at 6:46 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by dagda - April 27, 2009 at 12:30 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by Giff - April 27, 2009 at 1:45 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by dagda - April 28, 2009 at 10:22 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by Giff - April 28, 2009 at 11:14 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by Tiberius - April 28, 2009 at 11:36 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by Giff - May 10, 2009 at 11:38 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by LEDO - May 24, 2009 at 9:36 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by Samson - May 24, 2009 at 10:57 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by Kyuuketsuki - May 25, 2009 at 4:38 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by Samson - May 25, 2009 at 1:52 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by Edwardo Piet - May 25, 2009 at 1:55 pm
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RE: The Historical Christ - by Edwardo Piet - May 25, 2009 at 4:09 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by lrh9 - May 25, 2009 at 5:24 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by LEDO - May 25, 2009 at 6:39 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by Samson - May 25, 2009 at 6:57 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by lrh9 - May 25, 2009 at 7:52 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by dagda - May 26, 2009 at 5:56 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by Giff - May 26, 2009 at 8:00 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by Kyuuketsuki - May 27, 2009 at 3:23 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by chatpilot - May 26, 2009 at 12:05 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by LEDO - May 26, 2009 at 6:46 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by dagda - May 27, 2009 at 8:44 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by chatpilot - May 27, 2009 at 12:50 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by LEDO - May 27, 2009 at 5:39 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by dagda - May 27, 2009 at 1:23 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by chatpilot - May 27, 2009 at 5:08 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by padraic - May 27, 2009 at 9:29 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by chatpilot - May 28, 2009 at 11:31 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by LEDO - May 28, 2009 at 7:03 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by dagda - May 28, 2009 at 1:26 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by Darwinian - May 28, 2009 at 2:29 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by chatpilot - May 28, 2009 at 3:20 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by dagda - May 28, 2009 at 3:37 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by Kyuuketsuki - May 28, 2009 at 4:03 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by dagda - May 29, 2009 at 7:49 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by chatpilot - May 29, 2009 at 10:27 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by dagda - May 29, 2009 at 1:26 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by chatpilot - May 29, 2009 at 2:15 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by dagda - May 30, 2009 at 10:15 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by Kyuuketsuki - May 30, 2009 at 5:33 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by LEDO - May 30, 2009 at 9:13 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by Eilonnwy - May 30, 2009 at 7:05 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by chatpilot - June 1, 2009 at 10:35 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by dagda - June 2, 2009 at 12:24 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by Kyuuketsuki - June 2, 2009 at 3:01 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by LEDO - June 6, 2009 at 7:28 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by padraic - June 2, 2009 at 9:05 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by moleque - June 3, 2009 at 4:08 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by chatpilot - June 3, 2009 at 9:59 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by chatpilot - June 3, 2009 at 2:07 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by chatpilot - June 8, 2009 at 11:26 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by Anto Kennedy - July 13, 2009 at 8:19 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by chatpilot - July 14, 2009 at 3:07 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by Minimalist - August 3, 2009 at 1:49 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by Minimalist - August 3, 2009 at 2:37 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by chatpilot - August 3, 2009 at 3:02 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by Minimalist - August 3, 2009 at 8:15 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by chatpilot - August 4, 2009 at 12:45 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by Minimalist - August 4, 2009 at 12:51 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by Kyuuketsuki - August 4, 2009 at 3:57 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by Minimalist - August 4, 2009 at 8:52 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by Kyuuketsuki - August 5, 2009 at 5:42 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by Anto Kennedy - August 4, 2009 at 1:24 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by chatpilot - August 4, 2009 at 1:33 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by Minimalist - August 4, 2009 at 1:38 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by dagda - August 5, 2009 at 8:23 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by Anto Kennedy - August 4, 2009 at 2:04 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by Minimalist - August 4, 2009 at 2:59 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by chatpilot - August 4, 2009 at 4:23 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by Anto Kennedy - August 5, 2009 at 7:17 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by Kyuuketsuki - August 5, 2009 at 7:49 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by chatpilot - August 5, 2009 at 10:34 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by Minimalist - August 5, 2009 at 11:57 am
RE: The Historical Christ - by chatpilot - August 5, 2009 at 12:11 pm
RE: The Historical Christ - by Minimalist - August 5, 2009 at 4:59 pm

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