@Aegon The very act of subjugating yourself to a creator God, I mean there's not much more of a way to interpret "If anyone wants to follow me, he must deny himself, pick up his cross, and follow me continuously" Christians can be pretty far from it at times, I'm certain you and I both have seen first hand. But denying the natural self is pretty fundamental to Christianity, IMO. We could start a thread on it if you're interested, I don't want to derail whatever this thread was about.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari
always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari