(August 12, 2019 at 6:32 pm)Lek Wrote:(August 12, 2019 at 6:15 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Yeah, but what is it? If it exists, you should be able to provide me with positive descriptors. The simple negation of “natural” isn’t going to cut it. If it’s real, you should be able to tell me more about it than what it’s not. You should be able to tell me what it is.
Once I tell you what it is, you'll ask me to support it with tangible evidence. I'll respond with non-scientific arguments and tell you that I believe God instilled it in me. You'll say that my evidence is not provable, and on and on. We've both been there. But I do perceive God as being the one infinite existence who manifests everything we are and perceive. In actuality, though, I don't know totally who or what God is. I think it is an innate quality in humankind to seek God, because we realize there is something beyond the physical universe. Do you believe in ghosts?
Arguments for Gods are fine to an extent, but if you have nothing substantive to back up the extraordinary claims in these arguments, you cannot ever say you have evidence. You just have arguments, and people will either find them compelling enough on their own or they won't. Most atheists here won't find argumentation alone compelling and understandably so. It's easy to make arguments for anything you want to argue, and God believers over the centuries have had plenty time and opportunities and privileges to come up with all sorts of arguments. The interesting thing is that they could never produce any consolidating evidence for that God, and have come up with creative ways to excuse God's hiddenness. But I guess as long as it's logical, it's good enough, right? Well, not for me it is.
