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Deconversion and some doubts
RE: Deconversion and some doubts
(August 12, 2019 at 7:36 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: In Phaedrus, Plato likens the human soul to a chariot with three parts: two horses and a charioteer. One horse is stubborn and disobedient. This horse is desire. The other horse is dutiful and responsive. This second horse is emotion. The third part... the weakest and smallest part... is reason/logic, the charioteer. We need our desire and emotion to carry us forward in our lives. The charioteer cannot pull the chariot, right? But also, we need to be mindful that these spirited beasts have no business steering the chariot. Reason needs to be in charge of steering the chariot this way or that. Emotion and desire ought to do nothing but pull the chariot forward. But, alas, Plato diagnoses most souls as being steered by desire or emotion. Only a special few souls are reasonable. It is these souls who are truly capable of living righteously. That is how the Good "works inwardly in the soul." 

I wonder if it's a bit misleading to stop the myth here. Though I understand this version will be more popular on this forum.

In the original, the chariot isn't aiming for a nice balanced life. It's aiming to look above, to the world of Forms. Exactly the place where the Good is "located." If you do a good job and guide your horses, you get a longer look at the Forms. A good life results from direct vision of the Forms, including the Good. The result will be a good life -- the best life being, of course, that of a philosopher -- but this good life comes as a result of a vision of the Forms.
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Deconversion and some doubts - by Jake - July 26, 2019 at 2:35 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 26, 2019 at 2:43 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 26, 2019 at 2:51 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Abaddon_ire - July 26, 2019 at 4:30 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by arewethereyet - July 26, 2019 at 4:47 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 26, 2019 at 5:18 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by vulcanlogician - July 26, 2019 at 5:52 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Abaddon_ire - July 27, 2019 at 12:50 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 27, 2019 at 4:20 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Abaddon_ire - July 27, 2019 at 4:56 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 27, 2019 at 5:07 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Abaddon_ire - July 27, 2019 at 5:12 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by vulcanlogician - July 27, 2019 at 8:40 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 27, 2019 at 10:40 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by vulcanlogician - July 27, 2019 at 12:37 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 29, 2019 at 7:27 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Grandizer - July 29, 2019 at 4:26 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by vulcanlogician - July 29, 2019 at 5:28 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 29, 2019 at 10:13 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by vulcanlogician - July 29, 2019 at 11:25 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 29, 2019 at 11:46 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 3, 2019 at 7:37 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Grandizer - August 3, 2019 at 9:35 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by vulcanlogician - August 7, 2019 at 8:43 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 8, 2019 at 7:50 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by vulcanlogician - August 8, 2019 at 9:51 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 9, 2019 at 10:34 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by vulcanlogician - August 12, 2019 at 7:36 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Belacqua - August 13, 2019 at 12:31 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by vulcanlogician - August 13, 2019 at 3:38 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Belacqua - August 13, 2019 at 4:52 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Grandizer - July 30, 2019 at 12:24 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Grandizer - July 27, 2019 at 5:46 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 27, 2019 at 10:10 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Grandizer - July 27, 2019 at 10:15 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by downbeatplumb - July 27, 2019 at 4:00 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 26, 2019 at 5:32 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by arewethereyet - July 26, 2019 at 5:42 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Simon Moon - July 26, 2019 at 5:55 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Belacqua - July 26, 2019 at 6:02 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by tackattack - July 26, 2019 at 9:30 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Fake Messiah - July 27, 2019 at 5:00 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by comet - July 27, 2019 at 8:08 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Jake - July 27, 2019 at 9:16 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 27, 2019 at 10:56 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by downbeatplumb - July 27, 2019 at 11:47 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 27, 2019 at 12:26 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Mister Agenda - July 27, 2019 at 10:09 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Mister Agenda - July 27, 2019 at 10:52 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by HappySkeptic - July 27, 2019 at 1:27 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by downbeatplumb - July 28, 2019 at 5:14 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by LastPoet - July 28, 2019 at 10:07 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by comet - July 28, 2019 at 10:38 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by SteelCurtain - July 28, 2019 at 10:57 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by tackattack - July 29, 2019 at 10:49 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 29, 2019 at 5:50 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Valkyrie - July 29, 2019 at 11:35 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by vulcanlogician - July 30, 2019 at 12:08 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by vulcanlogician - July 30, 2019 at 12:26 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 30, 2019 at 6:10 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by vulcanlogician - July 30, 2019 at 7:00 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Grandizer - July 30, 2019 at 11:30 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 30, 2019 at 4:31 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Grandizer - July 30, 2019 at 6:24 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Fireball - July 30, 2019 at 8:21 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 30, 2019 at 9:34 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Grandizer - July 31, 2019 at 7:46 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by mordant - July 31, 2019 at 9:26 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 31, 2019 at 10:59 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 30, 2019 at 3:41 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 30, 2019 at 3:58 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 30, 2019 at 4:04 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 30, 2019 at 4:38 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 30, 2019 at 4:33 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 30, 2019 at 4:46 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by mordant - July 30, 2019 at 4:52 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by EgoDeath - July 30, 2019 at 8:15 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 30, 2019 at 9:41 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 30, 2019 at 9:50 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 30, 2019 at 9:51 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 30, 2019 at 10:10 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 30, 2019 at 10:40 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Mister Agenda - July 31, 2019 at 9:03 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2019 at 9:23 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2019 at 11:03 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 31, 2019 at 11:22 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2019 at 11:33 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 31, 2019 at 11:43 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2019 at 11:45 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 31, 2019 at 5:48 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by vulcanlogician - July 31, 2019 at 12:00 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 31, 2019 at 6:07 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Grandizer - July 31, 2019 at 6:20 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 31, 2019 at 6:31 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Grandizer - July 31, 2019 at 7:06 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 31, 2019 at 7:18 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Grandizer - July 31, 2019 at 8:47 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 31, 2019 at 9:17 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Grandizer - July 31, 2019 at 9:36 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 31, 2019 at 10:22 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Grandizer - July 31, 2019 at 10:42 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 31, 2019 at 10:53 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Grandizer - July 31, 2019 at 10:57 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 31, 2019 at 11:16 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Grandizer - August 1, 2019 at 12:35 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 1, 2019 at 6:27 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Grandizer - August 1, 2019 at 7:24 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 1, 2019 at 7:58 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 31, 2019 at 11:36 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2019 at 5:50 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2019 at 6:08 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2019 at 6:33 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2019 at 7:21 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 31, 2019 at 7:27 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2019 at 7:38 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 31, 2019 at 7:47 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2019 at 7:52 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 31, 2019 at 8:13 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2019 at 8:23 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 31, 2019 at 8:32 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2019 at 8:46 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 31, 2019 at 8:56 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2019 at 8:49 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Grandizer - July 31, 2019 at 9:14 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2019 at 9:00 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 31, 2019 at 9:04 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2019 at 9:05 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2019 at 9:14 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 31, 2019 at 9:24 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2019 at 9:22 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 31, 2019 at 10:01 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2019 at 9:27 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2019 at 9:41 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2019 at 10:17 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 31, 2019 at 10:38 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2019 at 10:30 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2019 at 10:42 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 31, 2019 at 10:59 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2019 at 10:55 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - July 31, 2019 at 11:06 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2019 at 11:04 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2019 at 11:08 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2019 at 11:18 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2019 at 11:37 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2019 at 7:40 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 1, 2019 at 8:02 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2019 at 8:00 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 1, 2019 at 8:06 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2019 at 8:04 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2019 at 8:08 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 1, 2019 at 8:17 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2019 at 8:19 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 1, 2019 at 8:25 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2019 at 8:29 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 1, 2019 at 10:58 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Grandizer - August 1, 2019 at 11:25 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Silver - August 1, 2019 at 11:00 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 1, 2019 at 11:11 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Silver - August 1, 2019 at 11:21 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 2, 2019 at 7:31 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Abaddon_ire - August 1, 2019 at 2:54 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Grandizer - August 1, 2019 at 6:23 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 1, 2019 at 7:22 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Grandizer - August 1, 2019 at 7:32 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 1, 2019 at 7:36 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Grandizer - August 1, 2019 at 7:40 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2019 at 11:02 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 1, 2019 at 11:20 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2019 at 11:25 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2019 at 11:14 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2019 at 7:36 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 1, 2019 at 9:13 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2019 at 8:00 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 1, 2019 at 9:27 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2019 at 9:19 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 1, 2019 at 9:39 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Silver - August 1, 2019 at 9:43 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2019 at 9:35 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 1, 2019 at 9:47 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2019 at 9:40 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 1, 2019 at 10:05 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2019 at 9:48 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 1, 2019 at 9:51 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2019 at 9:53 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2019 at 10:14 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 1, 2019 at 10:27 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 1, 2019 at 10:37 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2019 at 10:29 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2019 at 10:38 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 2, 2019 at 12:07 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Silver - August 2, 2019 at 12:16 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by EgoDeath - August 2, 2019 at 4:08 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 2, 2019 at 8:34 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by EgoDeath - August 2, 2019 at 9:10 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 2, 2019 at 12:21 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 2, 2019 at 7:18 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 2, 2019 at 7:21 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 2, 2019 at 7:42 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 2, 2019 at 10:28 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 2, 2019 at 10:53 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 2, 2019 at 11:07 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 2, 2019 at 11:09 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 2, 2019 at 11:15 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 2, 2019 at 11:19 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 2, 2019 at 11:43 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 2, 2019 at 11:45 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 2, 2019 at 11:46 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 2, 2019 at 11:48 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 2, 2019 at 11:52 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 2, 2019 at 11:57 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 2, 2019 at 12:08 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 2, 2019 at 12:11 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 2, 2019 at 12:18 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 2, 2019 at 12:22 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 2, 2019 at 12:41 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 2, 2019 at 12:42 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 2, 2019 at 12:44 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 2, 2019 at 12:46 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 2, 2019 at 12:57 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 2, 2019 at 12:59 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Acrobat - August 2, 2019 at 1:04 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 2, 2019 at 1:08 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Abaddon_ire - August 2, 2019 at 4:57 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 8, 2019 at 7:53 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 9, 2019 at 11:39 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Grandizer - August 12, 2019 at 9:25 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by vulcanlogician - August 12, 2019 at 10:08 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by Grandizer - August 13, 2019 at 11:28 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Grand Nudger - August 12, 2019 at 11:26 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by vulcanlogician - August 12, 2019 at 11:42 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Valkyrie - August 12, 2019 at 11:42 pm
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by vulcanlogician - August 13, 2019 at 12:13 am
RE: Deconversion and some doubts - by The Valkyrie - August 13, 2019 at 12:26 am

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