How to easily defeat any argument for God

[LadyForCamus]

Acrobat

First of all, comparing physical facts about harm to living beings to physical facts about a cheese pizza is a terrible analogy. Let’s try this another way:

Group A “just knows” torturing babies is good, and group B “just knows” torturing babies is bad. Both groups cannot be right, and both groups have a confidence level in their knowledge of 100%. How do we determine who is objectively right?

By using my own eyes. When using my own eyes I can see the torturing babies is bad, regardless of whatever group A or B say. But in this situation I'm in agreement with B. And group A is just delusional, worse than holocaust deniers, the sort of people you wouldn't want to water your plants, let alone watch your children.

Lol, okay. This is fun. So, I’ll place you in group B then. Everyone in group B, when asked how they know torturing babies is wrong, says: “by using my own eyes.”  Concomitantly, when group A is asked the same question, their answer also is: “by using my own eyes.”

How do these two groups make an objective moral determination about which one is right? They have to, otherwise we are stuck with two groups using the exact same reasoning to arrive at mutually exclusive conclusions. How do we objectively solve this conflict?

An honest person would see the "badness" in torturing babies, dishonesty, delusions, lies, etc.. are required to see it as good, like can be said of the Nazis, with their scapegoating delusions, and all the lies the holocaust was built upon.

What, exactly, are they being honest with themselves about with regard to the torture of babies, Acro? Is it that thing you still don’t wanna say? Keep in mind, if your answer is, “they’re honest with themselves that torturing babies is bad” then you’ve just argued yourself into a circle.