RE: How to easily defeat any argument for God
August 14, 2019 at 1:02 am
(This post was last modified: August 14, 2019 at 1:17 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Not quite, but people have studied that, btw, it’s super interesting.
I’m commenting more on the misconception that a statements objective truth is the difference between subjectivism and realism.
I’ll give one of the standard shock examples with three distinct justifications.
Why is rape bad?
Non cognitivist: Raaaaaaaaaage!
Subjectivist: Because I don’t like it.
Realist: Because it’s harmful.
Notice that the first cant even -be- a truth statement. It’s not something we believe is true or false. Just a primal reaction.
The second can be true or false. I can either like rape, or not like rape. I can even believe that the statement “rape is bad” is true, because I don’t like it. That’s a fact about me, either way. However, if my liking or not liking something, the fact of my opinion, is the bad or good making property...if I liked rape, it would be good.
The third can also be true or false, but it’s true or false without respect to whether or not I like rape, a fact about me. I can love the shit out of some rape, and it will still be bad, because it’s harmful. I can greatly dislike rape and it’s still bad, but still not on account of that fact about me.
The only difference between realism and subjectivism is whether an alleged moral fact properly refers to the matter, or to me. Even a description of all of the things about pizza that I like, is still ultimately a statement about what I like, as objectively true as the statement may be.
Pizza taste realism is explicitly a position on whether or not a pizza has what I like, and it’s as factual as all get out, but moral realism isn’t a position on what I like at all.
I may not like rape, but I do thoroughly enjoy shit that I think is wrong. All of us do. We call them guilty pleasures.
I’m commenting more on the misconception that a statements objective truth is the difference between subjectivism and realism.
I’ll give one of the standard shock examples with three distinct justifications.
Why is rape bad?
Non cognitivist: Raaaaaaaaaage!
Subjectivist: Because I don’t like it.
Realist: Because it’s harmful.
Notice that the first cant even -be- a truth statement. It’s not something we believe is true or false. Just a primal reaction.
The second can be true or false. I can either like rape, or not like rape. I can even believe that the statement “rape is bad” is true, because I don’t like it. That’s a fact about me, either way. However, if my liking or not liking something, the fact of my opinion, is the bad or good making property...if I liked rape, it would be good.
The third can also be true or false, but it’s true or false without respect to whether or not I like rape, a fact about me. I can love the shit out of some rape, and it will still be bad, because it’s harmful. I can greatly dislike rape and it’s still bad, but still not on account of that fact about me.
The only difference between realism and subjectivism is whether an alleged moral fact properly refers to the matter, or to me. Even a description of all of the things about pizza that I like, is still ultimately a statement about what I like, as objectively true as the statement may be.
Pizza taste realism is explicitly a position on whether or not a pizza has what I like, and it’s as factual as all get out, but moral realism isn’t a position on what I like at all.
I may not like rape, but I do thoroughly enjoy shit that I think is wrong. All of us do. We call them guilty pleasures.
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