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"Good" & "Bad" Christians?
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians?
(August 19, 2019 at 1:17 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(August 19, 2019 at 12:25 pm)Lek Wrote: Why is christianity inherently immoral?

Substitutive sacrifice is immoral on the face of it.  I can pay your debts, but that doesn't absolve you of the moral obligation of the debt.  I can serve your prison sentence in your place, but that doesn't erase what you did.

Torturing and murdering a 1st century rabbi to absolve humanity of its sins is a difference of degree, not of kind.

Boru

If you steal money from me, you have wronged me and owe me restitution.  If your friend comes to me and offers to repay what you steal if I agree to drop charges and I agree, you are resolved of your debt.  A person can forgive another person for a legitimate offense and not demand restitution.   In this case, even though the offender didn't do anything to make up for the offense, he is forgiven and absolved.
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"Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Fake Messiah - August 15, 2019 at 10:40 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 15, 2019 at 10:43 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Little lunch - August 18, 2019 at 7:36 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 15, 2019 at 10:47 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Grandizer - August 15, 2019 at 10:54 am
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 15, 2019 at 6:29 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by brewer - August 15, 2019 at 11:00 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by The Grand Nudger - August 15, 2019 at 11:42 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 15, 2019 at 12:06 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Anomalocaris - August 15, 2019 at 1:19 pm
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 15, 2019 at 7:11 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 15, 2019 at 7:43 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 15, 2019 at 7:51 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 15, 2019 at 8:15 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 15, 2019 at 8:26 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Anomalocaris - August 15, 2019 at 8:50 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 15, 2019 at 9:39 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 16, 2019 at 7:30 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Fake Messiah - August 15, 2019 at 11:44 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 15, 2019 at 11:50 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 17, 2019 at 12:36 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Fake Messiah - August 17, 2019 at 4:15 am
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Lek - August 16, 2019 at 4:44 pm
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Brian37 - August 17, 2019 at 7:27 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2019 at 7:14 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 19, 2019 at 7:37 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Lek - August 19, 2019 at 12:25 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 19, 2019 at 1:17 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Lek - August 19, 2019 at 3:48 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 19, 2019 at 3:52 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Lek - August 19, 2019 at 4:09 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 19, 2019 at 4:14 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by downbeatplumb - August 24, 2019 at 5:11 am
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2019 at 12:42 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Lek - August 19, 2019 at 4:35 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by The Valkyrie - August 19, 2019 at 4:42 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Anomalocaris - August 19, 2019 at 5:32 pm
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Cecelia - August 19, 2019 at 5:20 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Lek - August 20, 2019 at 12:24 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Anomalocaris - August 20, 2019 at 1:07 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Abaddon_ire - August 20, 2019 at 4:13 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Lek - August 20, 2019 at 2:31 pm
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Anomalocaris - August 20, 2019 at 3:24 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Lek - August 20, 2019 at 4:35 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Anomalocaris - August 20, 2019 at 5:41 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Lek - August 20, 2019 at 5:59 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 20, 2019 at 6:00 pm
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Lek - August 20, 2019 at 6:40 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by The Grand Nudger - August 21, 2019 at 10:21 am
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 22, 2019 at 8:49 pm
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 22, 2019 at 9:50 pm
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 23, 2019 at 2:30 am
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 23, 2019 at 3:51 am
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 23, 2019 at 6:00 am
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 23, 2019 at 12:05 pm
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Fake Messiah - August 23, 2019 at 11:39 pm
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by The Grand Nudger - August 23, 2019 at 3:01 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by The Valkyrie - August 23, 2019 at 5:05 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 24, 2019 at 12:48 pm
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 24, 2019 at 2:55 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 24, 2019 at 5:16 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Anomalocaris - August 24, 2019 at 5:47 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 24, 2019 at 5:59 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 24, 2019 at 10:22 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Anomalocaris - August 24, 2019 at 6:03 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 24, 2019 at 6:26 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 24, 2019 at 9:58 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 24, 2019 at 10:12 pm
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 24, 2019 at 10:29 pm
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 24, 2019 at 10:41 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 24, 2019 at 10:48 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 24, 2019 at 10:50 pm
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 24, 2019 at 11:16 pm
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 24, 2019 at 11:32 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 24, 2019 at 11:31 pm
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 24, 2019 at 11:52 pm
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 24, 2019 at 11:37 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 24, 2019 at 11:44 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 24, 2019 at 11:50 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 24, 2019 at 11:54 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 25, 2019 at 12:02 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 25, 2019 at 12:47 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 24, 2019 at 11:57 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 25, 2019 at 3:48 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 25, 2019 at 6:36 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 25, 2019 at 11:33 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 26, 2019 at 4:45 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 26, 2019 at 5:48 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 26, 2019 at 5:54 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Anomalocaris - August 26, 2019 at 4:22 pm
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 26, 2019 at 8:31 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Anomalocaris - August 27, 2019 at 12:39 am
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Grandizer - August 26, 2019 at 2:30 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Fake Messiah - August 26, 2019 at 3:48 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Grandizer - August 26, 2019 at 3:52 pm
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 26, 2019 at 5:51 pm
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