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"Good" & "Bad" Christians?
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians?
(August 22, 2019 at 9:50 pm)Belaqua Wrote:
(August 22, 2019 at 9:05 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: The Bible is supposed to be directly from god. There's no reason to believe it isn't meant to be taken literally. It is a holy text, not a novel.
As with everything else, Christians disagree about this. 

"Directly from God" can mean "literally true" or "inspired by God but written out by fallible humans" or any number of other things. 

A "holy text" need not be a literal statement of exactly what happened. In fact many of them are taken to be prompts or puzzles or challenges that people have to deal with. 

It would be convenient for us if all Christians had one view of hermeneutics, but they don't, and I don't want to assert that only one of those many views is the True Christian way.

Quote:Even then, there are some verses that can only be taken as literal instructions. How do the "the Bible is a metaphor" Christians reconcile those verses with the idea that it's supposed to be a purely allegorical work?

By recognizing, accurately, that the Bible is an anthology of many stories from many sources with many different methods. They will usually say that it is neither purely literal nor purely allegorical. Sad to say, people have to use their brains and interpret things as best they can. 

Quote:The Bible is, supposedly, a holy text dictated to man directly from god. Once again, it's not a novella. And while there are certainly literary aspects to the Bible, like I said, certain verses cannot help but to be taken literally.

It is that, supposedly, to some Christians and not others. True, it's not a novella. The Book of Job is a lot like a novella, but Deuteronomy isn't. Certain verses should no doubt be taken literally, and others clearly aren't. (This is the opinion of just about any Christian who has read a book.) 

I think we have to acknowledge that in history, a lot of important books have operated unlike a science text or a journalistic report. If someone is saying that the Bible is only those two things, he is a bit simple-minded about things. 

Quote:Not sure what's so tough to comprehend about this. 

So let me be clear, are you arguing that the Bible is a literary work and not meant to be taken literally? what's your evidence for this?

I am arguing that for a very long time Christians have acknowledged that parts of the Bible are not to be taken literally. My evidence for this is the writings of Augustine and many other important Christians, who said as much. 

I am, moreover, arguing that it is not for me or for you to judge what True Christianity consists of.


Early Christians took the Bible literally. Now, Christians do not. A decrease in a number of behaviors shows this. Christians have strayed from what Christianity used to be. I'm not going to split hairs with you here and go back and forth; there's no debate to be had. Christians used to burn people at the stake for being pagans or witches. Now, your average Christian probably "sins" ten times before breakfast.

Whether or not the Bible is "meant" to be taken literally is completely beside the point; most modern scholars realize how insane it would be to take the Bible literally, so of course the popular notion now is that it is more allegorical than literal.

That doesn't change the fact of how Christians used to behave versus how they behave now.

Today's Christians are hardly Christian at all.

When a thing changes so much that it is no longer synonymous with the original thing, you change the name. Christians today shouldn't even call themselves Christians.
If you're frightened of dying, and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the Earth.
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"Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Fake Messiah - August 15, 2019 at 10:40 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 15, 2019 at 10:43 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Little lunch - August 18, 2019 at 7:36 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 15, 2019 at 10:47 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Grandizer - August 15, 2019 at 10:54 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 15, 2019 at 11:02 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by brewer - August 15, 2019 at 6:10 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 15, 2019 at 6:29 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by brewer - August 15, 2019 at 11:00 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by The Grand Nudger - August 15, 2019 at 11:42 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 15, 2019 at 12:06 pm
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 15, 2019 at 7:11 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 15, 2019 at 7:43 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 15, 2019 at 7:51 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 15, 2019 at 8:15 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 15, 2019 at 8:26 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Anomalocaris - August 15, 2019 at 8:50 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 15, 2019 at 9:39 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 16, 2019 at 7:30 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Fake Messiah - August 15, 2019 at 11:44 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 15, 2019 at 11:50 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 17, 2019 at 12:36 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Fake Messiah - August 17, 2019 at 4:15 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 17, 2019 at 5:41 am
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Lek - August 16, 2019 at 4:44 pm
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 19, 2019 at 1:17 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Lek - August 19, 2019 at 3:48 pm
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 19, 2019 at 4:14 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by downbeatplumb - August 24, 2019 at 5:11 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 24, 2019 at 5:36 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2019 at 12:42 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Lek - August 19, 2019 at 4:35 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by The Valkyrie - August 19, 2019 at 4:42 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Anomalocaris - August 19, 2019 at 5:32 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Abaddon_ire - August 20, 2019 at 3:22 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Cecelia - August 19, 2019 at 5:20 pm
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Anomalocaris - August 20, 2019 at 1:07 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Abaddon_ire - August 20, 2019 at 4:13 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Lek - August 20, 2019 at 2:31 pm
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Anomalocaris - August 20, 2019 at 3:24 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Lek - August 20, 2019 at 4:35 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Anomalocaris - August 20, 2019 at 5:41 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Lek - August 20, 2019 at 5:59 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 20, 2019 at 6:00 pm
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Lek - August 20, 2019 at 6:40 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by The Grand Nudger - August 21, 2019 at 10:21 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by ronedee - August 21, 2019 at 11:50 am
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by ronedee - August 22, 2019 at 9:15 am
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by ronedee - August 22, 2019 at 10:29 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 25, 2019 at 7:30 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 22, 2019 at 8:42 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 22, 2019 at 8:49 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 22, 2019 at 8:52 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 22, 2019 at 8:56 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 22, 2019 at 9:05 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 22, 2019 at 9:50 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 23, 2019 at 2:16 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 23, 2019 at 2:30 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Anomalocaris - August 23, 2019 at 3:39 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 23, 2019 at 3:51 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Anomalocaris - August 23, 2019 at 3:53 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 23, 2019 at 6:00 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 23, 2019 at 11:50 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 23, 2019 at 12:05 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 23, 2019 at 12:07 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 23, 2019 at 12:12 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Abaddon_ire - August 23, 2019 at 4:43 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 23, 2019 at 4:58 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Abaddon_ire - August 23, 2019 at 6:00 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 23, 2019 at 7:08 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Fake Messiah - August 23, 2019 at 11:39 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 24, 2019 at 12:21 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Fake Messiah - August 24, 2019 at 4:54 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by The Valkyrie - August 22, 2019 at 10:01 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 23, 2019 at 12:14 pm
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by The Grand Nudger - August 23, 2019 at 3:01 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by The Valkyrie - August 23, 2019 at 5:05 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 24, 2019 at 12:48 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 24, 2019 at 2:53 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 24, 2019 at 5:29 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 24, 2019 at 2:55 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 24, 2019 at 5:16 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Anomalocaris - August 24, 2019 at 5:47 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 24, 2019 at 5:59 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 24, 2019 at 10:22 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Anomalocaris - August 24, 2019 at 6:03 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 24, 2019 at 6:26 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 24, 2019 at 9:58 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 24, 2019 at 10:12 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 24, 2019 at 10:37 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 24, 2019 at 10:29 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 24, 2019 at 10:59 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 24, 2019 at 11:09 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 24, 2019 at 10:41 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 24, 2019 at 10:48 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 24, 2019 at 10:50 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 24, 2019 at 10:59 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 24, 2019 at 11:16 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 24, 2019 at 11:29 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 24, 2019 at 11:32 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 24, 2019 at 11:31 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 24, 2019 at 11:36 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 24, 2019 at 11:44 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 24, 2019 at 11:52 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 24, 2019 at 11:54 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 24, 2019 at 11:37 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 24, 2019 at 11:44 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 24, 2019 at 11:50 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 24, 2019 at 11:54 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 25, 2019 at 12:02 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 25, 2019 at 12:47 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 24, 2019 at 11:57 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 25, 2019 at 3:48 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 25, 2019 at 6:36 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 25, 2019 at 11:33 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 26, 2019 at 4:45 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 26, 2019 at 5:48 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 26, 2019 at 5:54 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Anomalocaris - August 26, 2019 at 4:22 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 26, 2019 at 5:49 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Anomalocaris - August 26, 2019 at 6:16 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 26, 2019 at 8:31 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Anomalocaris - August 27, 2019 at 12:39 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 27, 2019 at 12:45 am
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Grandizer - August 26, 2019 at 2:30 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Fake Messiah - August 26, 2019 at 3:48 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Grandizer - August 26, 2019 at 3:52 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Fake Messiah - August 26, 2019 at 4:09 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Acrobat - August 26, 2019 at 4:20 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by EgoDeath - August 26, 2019 at 5:51 pm
RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians? - by Belacqua - August 26, 2019 at 6:24 pm

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