(August 24, 2019 at 12:46 pm)Lek Wrote: Yeah. I know. You don't believe in divine revelation, personal experience and testimony of others to justify a belief.Exactly, why should i believe something only others have experienced? Why should i believe some deity is playing favourites and revealed itself only to others? Do you believe other stuff (aside from the existence of a deity) others tell you, just because they tell you? Would you believe muslims that Allah (pbuh) exists because of their divine revelation and personal experience?
(August 24, 2019 at 12:46 pm)Lek Wrote: As for myself, I just can't stop at the boundaries of natural sciences.Neither do i. But i have higher standards than you as far as accepting such extraordinary claims goes. My standards are beyond "what others experienced and attributed to a certain deity, at least thats what they tell me".
(August 24, 2019 at 12:46 pm)Lek Wrote: When they state the qualities as existing in a "closed system" they're exhibiting their belief in the possibility of another system with different laws.They? Who? You didnt even bother to tell in your post who "they" is.
But nope, you are wrong. Just because there is a closed system does not mean one accepts that there is another one. The one closed system one perceives, may the only system out there anyway. But please, please dont let such fundamental and simple logic get in the way of believing in the supernatural. By all means, dont let that stop you at the boundaries of natural sciences.
(August 24, 2019 at 12:46 pm)Lek Wrote: If things exist that don't follow natural laws, you must have different methods of discovering them.What methods are you thinking of? Personal experience and diving relevation? How can i apply this *method* myself? Please educate me.
What things that dont follow natural laws are you referring to? I cant think of anything that happened that didnt follow natural laws.
(August 24, 2019 at 12:46 pm)Lek Wrote: Maybe we're wasting our time in this area of the forum because we're always talking apples and oranges.Exactly: i like to go beyond mere belief and like to be able to demonstrate to others what i perceive to be true and make that common knowledege, unlike you. You seem entirely happy to live in the bubble of your own self-made version of reality, interestingly (and most probably) only regarding your religious beliefs, because if you would apply your *method* of personal experience and divine revelation to any other area of life you would fail, consistently.
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse