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Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work.
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work.
(August 25, 2019 at 3:02 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(August 25, 2019 at 2:41 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Then on what other grounds should a gun shop owner refuse to sell?  The buyer has no record, he doesn't appear agitated or upset.  But you seem to want the seller to decline a sale based on the chance that something bad might happen after a legal buy.

I'm asking you (for the umpteenth time) what other criteria should a seller use to decline a sale?

Boru

HOLY FLYING SCOOBY DOO FLYING FUCK...


It isn't a matter of law...

I wish it were but it is NOT!

It is a matter of FUCKING COMMON SENSE...


If everyone is being honest, OLB  AND Boru or whomever.

Knowing my posts prior, no sane person who would own a gun shop, REGARDLESS if they followed the law, would say, "handing this guy  BRIAN37 was a good idea"....

I am not crazy, but merely pointing out if that one is going to freak out and imply the word, then why the fuck would you say "Oh well" when someone who freaks you out might  want to own a firearm?

Maybe  the better attitude for BOTH left and right is for the makers to give a shit how many they make and where they end up.

You're correct as far as it goes - I wouldn't want anyone to sell you a gun, given your admitted conditions of depression and anxiety.

But it's a fair supposition that a shop owner isn't going to know that about you, or about anyone who comes in. But I grant that if the buyer comes in and says, 'I have no record.  Sell me a gun right away, so I can smoke some motherfuckers', it would be a bad move to sell that person a gun.

This is why your rant isn't depicting a legitimate scenario.  Shop owners are EXTREMELY unlikely to sell to such a person, and a person planning a crime is equally unlikely to declare their intentions at point-of-purchase.

You're also way off the mark with your incessant parroting of the phrase 'no record doesn't mean something bad won't happen  after a legal sale.'  While true, it is a pointless complaint to make specifically about gun purchases.  Something bad can happen after the sale of virtually ANY item.

So, again:  If you don't want gun sales made to people who might break the law with that gun, you have to either have some way for the shop owner to determine that (which is what I've asked you for repeatedly) or you have to stop all sales of all guns (which you've said you don't want).

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 20, 2019 at 8:19 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 20, 2019 at 8:32 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 20, 2019 at 8:38 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Peebo-Thuhlu - August 20, 2019 at 8:53 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Fireball - August 20, 2019 at 9:12 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Peebo-Thuhlu - August 20, 2019 at 8:35 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 20, 2019 at 9:01 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Mister Agenda - August 20, 2019 at 9:10 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Peebo-Thuhlu - August 20, 2019 at 9:10 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Kitty Galore - August 20, 2019 at 7:45 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 20, 2019 at 7:57 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Peebo-Thuhlu - August 21, 2019 at 1:52 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 21, 2019 at 8:21 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 21, 2019 at 8:43 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 21, 2019 at 8:46 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 21, 2019 at 9:31 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 21, 2019 at 10:04 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 21, 2019 at 10:24 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 20, 2019 at 9:12 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Peebo-Thuhlu - August 20, 2019 at 9:21 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 20, 2019 at 9:30 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Peebo-Thuhlu - August 20, 2019 at 9:40 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 20, 2019 at 9:50 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Peebo-Thuhlu - August 20, 2019 at 9:59 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 20, 2019 at 10:03 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Peebo-Thuhlu - August 20, 2019 at 10:09 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 20, 2019 at 9:23 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 20, 2019 at 9:32 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 20, 2019 at 9:38 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 20, 2019 at 10:12 am
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 20, 2019 at 10:31 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Peebo-Thuhlu - August 20, 2019 at 10:40 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Fake Messiah - August 20, 2019 at 10:47 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 20, 2019 at 11:39 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 20, 2019 at 11:45 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 20, 2019 at 11:59 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 20, 2019 at 12:04 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Peebo-Thuhlu - August 20, 2019 at 10:51 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 20, 2019 at 12:10 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 20, 2019 at 12:31 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 20, 2019 at 12:46 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 20, 2019 at 12:59 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 20, 2019 at 12:41 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 20, 2019 at 1:51 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by LadyForCamus - August 20, 2019 at 3:06 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 20, 2019 at 3:40 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 20, 2019 at 4:02 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by LadyForCamus - August 20, 2019 at 12:50 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by brewer - August 20, 2019 at 12:55 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by LadyForCamus - August 20, 2019 at 12:59 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 20, 2019 at 1:03 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 20, 2019 at 2:46 pm
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Deesse23 - August 20, 2019 at 1:08 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 20, 2019 at 1:28 pm
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by downbeatplumb - August 20, 2019 at 1:36 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 20, 2019 at 2:03 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 20, 2019 at 2:03 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 20, 2019 at 2:56 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by no one - August 20, 2019 at 3:51 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by LastPoet - August 20, 2019 at 3:51 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 20, 2019 at 3:55 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by LadyForCamus - August 20, 2019 at 3:56 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 20, 2019 at 4:05 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 20, 2019 at 4:15 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 20, 2019 at 4:05 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 20, 2019 at 4:09 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 20, 2019 at 4:21 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 20, 2019 at 4:31 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 20, 2019 at 4:43 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 20, 2019 at 4:59 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 20, 2019 at 5:10 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 20, 2019 at 5:17 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 20, 2019 at 5:29 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 20, 2019 at 5:33 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 21, 2019 at 9:12 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 21, 2019 at 10:35 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 21, 2019 at 10:40 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 21, 2019 at 11:54 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 21, 2019 at 12:03 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by LastPoet - August 21, 2019 at 11:02 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 21, 2019 at 1:03 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by LastPoet - August 21, 2019 at 1:45 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 21, 2019 at 1:56 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by arewethereyet - August 21, 2019 at 2:00 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 21, 2019 at 2:01 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 21, 2019 at 3:36 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 21, 2019 at 1:25 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by LastPoet - August 21, 2019 at 2:34 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 21, 2019 at 2:43 pm
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by The Grand Nudger - August 21, 2019 at 3:28 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 21, 2019 at 4:06 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 21, 2019 at 4:12 pm
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 21, 2019 at 4:17 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 21, 2019 at 4:41 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 21, 2019 at 4:48 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by A Godzilla fan - August 22, 2019 at 2:40 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 22, 2019 at 5:46 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 22, 2019 at 5:47 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by A Godzilla fan - August 22, 2019 at 7:27 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 22, 2019 at 7:55 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 23, 2019 at 9:26 am
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 23, 2019 at 10:50 am
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 23, 2019 at 12:11 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 23, 2019 at 12:17 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 23, 2019 at 12:24 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 23, 2019 at 12:30 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 23, 2019 at 12:41 pm
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 23, 2019 at 1:10 pm
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 23, 2019 at 2:36 pm
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 23, 2019 at 12:20 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 23, 2019 at 12:48 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 23, 2019 at 2:27 pm
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 24, 2019 at 1:32 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 24, 2019 at 1:39 pm
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 24, 2019 at 2:42 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 24, 2019 at 2:43 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 24, 2019 at 2:47 pm
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 24, 2019 at 2:53 pm
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by brewer - August 24, 2019 at 7:21 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 25, 2019 at 11:29 am
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 25, 2019 at 1:31 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 24, 2019 at 2:32 pm
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 25, 2019 at 1:37 pm
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 25, 2019 at 1:54 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 25, 2019 at 1:58 pm
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 25, 2019 at 2:05 pm
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 25, 2019 at 2:41 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 25, 2019 at 3:02 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by arewethereyet - August 25, 2019 at 3:18 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 25, 2019 at 3:36 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 25, 2019 at 3:39 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 25, 2019 at 3:21 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 25, 2019 at 2:16 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Shell B - August 25, 2019 at 3:38 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 25, 2019 at 3:50 pm
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by arewethereyet - August 25, 2019 at 4:48 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 25, 2019 at 5:00 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by arewethereyet - August 25, 2019 at 5:09 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 25, 2019 at 5:24 pm
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 25, 2019 at 5:40 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Shell B - August 25, 2019 at 5:02 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by arewethereyet - August 25, 2019 at 5:47 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 25, 2019 at 5:54 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 25, 2019 at 5:56 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 25, 2019 at 6:06 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Fireball - August 25, 2019 at 6:41 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 25, 2019 at 6:44 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 25, 2019 at 6:49 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Fireball - August 25, 2019 at 7:43 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 25, 2019 at 6:09 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 25, 2019 at 6:20 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 25, 2019 at 6:38 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 25, 2019 at 6:18 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 25, 2019 at 6:21 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 25, 2019 at 6:25 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 25, 2019 at 6:28 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 25, 2019 at 6:34 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by chimp3 - August 25, 2019 at 6:43 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 25, 2019 at 7:54 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 25, 2019 at 7:51 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by LadyForCamus - August 25, 2019 at 7:53 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by brewer - August 25, 2019 at 8:16 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 25, 2019 at 8:08 pm
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Fireball - August 26, 2019 at 11:21 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 26, 2019 at 11:50 am
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