Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work.

[Brian37]

And I'm asking what form this vetting should take.  What specific changes would you like to see in the system?

Boru

When purchasing a firearm, the purchaser fills out paperwork that goes to the gov for vetting. This is Federal law. There is a mandatory 2 week wait, and the time is literally kept. If you finalized a purchase of a firearm at 11 AM, you may not get delivery until after 11 AM two weeks later. This delivery is also recorded in a database with a time stamp. If you show up early you stand around until the clock ticks over. Here in California, it was a three-week wait, but the Federal law superseded that a few years ago (don't recall how many years, can't be bothered to look, doesn't matter). The purchaser is further required to take training (can be self-study) and pass a test to get a Firearm Safety Certificate. No pass, no cert, can't have gun. Further, the operation of the firearm is explained to the purchaser, who must sign off that they have been instructed on how to use said firearm prior to delivery. New rules have been instituted for ammunition purchase (California only at this time, but coming for the rest of the states eventually). Every purchaser must be registered in a database with their respective state's Department of Justice. Not registered? Can't buy ammunition. Once registered, every purchase of ammunition is recorded with the State DoJ, complete with the number of rounds purchased. Since my firearm purchases were prior to 2014, I had to do that last registration recently. Those purchases had a 3-week waiting period under the old California law.

Use of Federally controlled substances such as marijuana means one is prohibited from possessing or purchasing firearms or ammunition, whether the states have allowed them to be used or not.

Handed out like candy, eh? Shee-it.

Wow, then that still means we STILL hand out firearms like candy.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

Does anyone really think these same laws, if we go by this post APPLY in Australia or New Zealand?

I SERIOUSLY FUCKING DOUBT IT!

I'll make any American firearm cum guzzling ammo facial porn lover a deal. Get America to the same level of firearm death as say Australia or New Zealand or Japan, then I WILL be happy to shut the fuck up.

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When purchasing a firearm, the purchaser fills out paperwork that goes to the gov for vetting. This is Federal law. There is a mandatory 2 week wait, and the time is literally kept. If you finalized a purchase of a firearm at 11 AM, you may not get delivery until after 11 AM two weeks later. This delivery is also recorded in a database with a time stamp. If you show up early you stand around until the clock ticks over. Here in California, it was a three-week wait, but the Federal law superseded that a few years ago (don't recall how many years, can't be bothered to look, doesn't matter). The purchaser is further required to take training (can be self-study) and pass a test to get a Firearm Safety Certificate. No pass, no cert, can't have gun. Further, the operation of the firearm is explained to the purchaser, who must sign off that they have been instructed on how to use said firearm prior to delivery. New rules have been instituted for ammunition purchase (California only at this time, but coming for the rest of the states eventually). Every purchaser must be registered in a database with their respective state's Department of Justice. Not registered? Can't buy ammunition. Once registered, every purchase of ammunition is recorded with the State DoJ, complete with the number of rounds purchased. Since my firearm purchases were prior to 2014, I had to do that last registration recently. Those purchases had a 3-week waiting period under the old California law.

Use of Federally controlled substances such as marijuana means one is prohibited from possessing or purchasing firearms or ammunition, whether the states have allowed them to be used or not.

Handed out like candy, eh? Shee-it.

See, all of that makes perfect sense to me.  But Brian seems to think that, even after all of the proper procedures have been gone through, the seller can stop the sale at the last second because he has some sort of a gut feeling about the buyer.

Boru

It isn't a matter of the seller cant stop the sale, it is a matter of far to many sellers assuming a bullshit utopia that "no record" means nothing can go wrong after a legal buy.

If sellers DID give a shit, what they lose in profits they would gain in MORALITY!

Firearms in America today, is not about fighting tyranny, or hunting, but about a fucking greedy industry pitting red and blue states against each other. Firearm sales today are no different then when Nadar told car companies their products sucked. No different than when big tobacco was forced to ditch Joe Camel.

I wish more shop owners would stop a sale..... But they do not.