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Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work.
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work.
(August 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)Divinity Wrote:
(August 25, 2019 at 8:08 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: This is a completely different issue and is fantastically off point.  NZ has one of the higher firearms ownership rates in the developed world - the issue isn't access to firearms, it's a difference in firearms culture.

Boru

New Zealand requires a license to buy a gun.  New Zealand has also banned most semi-automatic weapons.  

America requires a background check that takes less than ten minutes unless of course, you're buying from an individual.  In which case, no background check required.  

Also, the estimated civilian firearm rate per 100 people:

US: 120.5
Second place Falkland Islands: 62.1 (Nearly half)
New Zealand (your choice) 26.3
Switzerland (in case its brought up) 27.6

There are more guns than people in the US, the ONLY country in the WORLD to have such a statistic.

If firearm ownership rates were the whole story, then NZ with 25% as many guns in private hands as the US should also have 25% as many gun-related deaths. We have less than 9% as many.

I'm not arguing for loosening restrictions on firearms (just the opposite). I'm pointing out that Brian's notion of stopping gun sales at the point of the sale  is a fatally flawed one.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 20, 2019 at 8:19 am
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 20, 2019 at 9:01 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Mister Agenda - August 20, 2019 at 9:10 am
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 20, 2019 at 7:57 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Peebo-Thuhlu - August 21, 2019 at 1:52 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 21, 2019 at 8:21 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 21, 2019 at 8:43 am
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 21, 2019 at 9:31 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 21, 2019 at 10:04 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 21, 2019 at 10:24 am
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 25, 2019 at 5:54 pm
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 25, 2019 at 6:18 pm
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Brian37 - August 25, 2019 at 6:34 pm
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by onlinebiker - August 25, 2019 at 7:54 pm
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RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by brewer - August 25, 2019 at 8:16 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 25, 2019 at 8:08 pm
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Divinity - August 26, 2019 at 10:04 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Fireball - August 26, 2019 at 11:21 am
RE: Why Red Flag Laws Won't Work. - by Gawdzilla Sama - August 26, 2019 at 11:50 am
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