RE: Is God a logical contradiction?
September 10, 2019 at 4:26 pm
(This post was last modified: September 10, 2019 at 4:27 pm by Belacqua.)
(September 10, 2019 at 11:17 am)Tom Fearnley Wrote: What does the word nothing mean? I always thought it was meaningless:
Google gives me this:
Quote:[*]not anything; no single thing.
"I said nothing"
synonyms:
not a thing, not a single thing, not anything, nothing at all, nil, zero;
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But it sounds as if, oddly, you are talking about nothing as if it were something.
Quote:It can't be seen, imagined or hasn't been measured hence meaningless.
If nothing is there, then it can't be seen. You can't see something that doesn't exist. etc.
Quote:Yes but non-material (immaterial) just means "nothing/something meaningless" or made of non-matter (things like energy and thoughts.)
If theistic metaphysics says something comes from something then God isn't nothing as in made of nothing at all.
One of the earliest ways of talking about it in philosophy was to say that the Forms (where God is the Form of the Good) are something like numbers. They have no material existence, just as the number two has no material existence.
If you want to say that numbers are "made out of thoughts" I guess that makes sense. I hadn't thought of them as being made out of anything, so it sounds funny to me. But if you insist that everything has to be made out of something then I guess that's the closest I can come.
What about a fictional character who has never really existed? Let's say Sherlock Holmes. We all know something about him, though he has no material existence. Would you say then that he is made out of thoughts? Again, I had never thought of it that way but I guess it makes sense.
Quote:And as nothing is a meaningless word "made of nothing" is a meaningless sentence. Unless we're talking about nothing meaning "something we have no understanding of".
OK, there are traditions in which God is called noetic, or otherwise pure thought. So I guess "made out of thought" might be close. So long as we specify that thought isn't like some raw material that was floating around and then fashioned into God.
Still, I think this idea that everything -- even numbers -- has to have a raw material may be misleading.