(September 16, 2019 at 11:20 am)Grandizer Wrote:(September 16, 2019 at 11:13 am)Drich Wrote: what book chapter and verse is any of this in?
Are you guys seriously adding straw men material to the story of christ just to have more to say when you try and knock it down? Seriouly look at what you are doing you are literally creating a straw man by telling us what you think was going on in the minds of people you have no way of knowing. THEN you have the juevos to tell me how this is all wrong... what you created is wrong...
Mark 15 provides the background to these two possible scenarios. Of course I added to the story but so did the early Christians (see the later copies of Mark 16, Matthew, Luke, John, and other sources).
Also, the phrase "straw men" ... not what you think it means.
let's see what the defination actually says
Straw man:
straw man
/ˌstrô ˈman/
noun
- 1.an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
Now what did I say?
Are you guys seriously adding straw men material to the story of christ just to have more to say when you try and knock it down?
So the definition says= intentionally misrepresenting a position to set it up as a means to make it easier to defeat. Then I said you are making up narrative to have more to say when you try and refute or know down the narrative.
IDK chief but it sounds like I got a pretty good understanding of the definition and was able to successfully identify such work in the op.
for instance chapter 15 of Mark simply informs us Joseph took the body down in time for the sabbath and entombed the body.
The rest of what you say here:
Quote:Joseph of Arimathea ended up moving Jesus' body to a private place during the night, in the hope that it would make things easier for the Messiah to come back to life and fulfill the expectations that he was supposed to meet. When that didn't happen, Jesus' body nevertheless stayed there and was never moved back to the original tomb. Joseph also decided not to let anyone know about this, so when rumors spread that Jesus had risen, he chose not to say anything about it.
is not based on any teachings in mark 15 nor any other of the gospels. in fact it leaves out huge chunks of texts which would make it impossible for Joseph t have taken the body.
That is what makes you whole effort a straw man it is the fact that you omit points in the narrative that make your little man of straw topple over upon it's telling. which is why I assume you do not include these details. IE the contingent of Roman soldiers who placed an imperial seal on the tomb. a seal if broken would mean the lives of those soldiers.