(September 18, 2019 at 6:37 pm)Lek Wrote: We have a being who is supernatural.This is a claim, not evidence.
(September 18, 2019 at 6:37 pm)Lek Wrote:These are several claims, but no evidene
He/She/It can exist without the need to obey any natural laws and therefore, cannot be understood or explained by natural or scientific means.
(September 18, 2019 at 6:37 pm)Lek Wrote:He hasnt impressed me with his existence, for some reason. Please impress me with his existence. Why should i believe you that he impressed you with his existence? Because you are such a nice guy?
I always reply that I believe because God has directly impressed me with the awareness of his existence.
(September 18, 2019 at 6:37 pm)Lek Wrote:Another bunch of other people making other claims, but no evidence. For the record: most if not all of those claims have been debunked.
I list supporting factors as the witness of other believers, evidence of ghosts and other supernatural phenomena, etc.
(September 18, 2019 at 6:37 pm)Lek Wrote:Five billion people making how many different claims about how many different flavours of "god"? Still no evidence. We dont determine what is true by making polls. Else the job of scientist/researcher wouldnt be a thing.
A very conservative estimate of the number of people in the world today who believe in God, in this scientific age, is five billion.
(September 18, 2019 at 6:37 pm)Lek Wrote:So what?
These people are from every profession and walk of life.
(September 18, 2019 at 6:37 pm)Lek Wrote:Not my problem. I have high standards for accepting beliefs, most probably way higher than you, because i want to believe in as few wrong things as possible and as many true things as possible. The way to achieve this is to have evidence, evidence that can be shared with others (because i am living in a shared reality with others, and therefore am not entitled to proclaim what is real/truth or not myself).
If God directly illuminates me through supernatural means which cannot be tested by any natural means, how can I give you any other solid evidence other than to relate my experience?
Yes i may not believe in many thing that are true, but for which there is not (enough) evidence yet. But i dont want to believe in many things being false. Like having guilty people roam the streets rather than having innocent people in prison.
You think you have been illuminated, you think you cant give me solid evidence, but you think i should accept your belief? How about ill wait until i am illuminted myself? I accept you had an experience, i am sceptical it was caused by a god.
Question: Before you were illuminated, did you believe other peoples´ claims about being illuminated? Did you believe in their god(s)? Right....you didnt, thats why you had to be illuminated yourself in the first place, right? So why trying nto enfore a double standard on me? Why is it so important for you that i accept your belief
(September 18, 2019 at 6:37 pm)Lek Wrote:I am saying i am not convinced due to a lack of good reasons for me to believe. You being delusional is just one of many possible reasons why your arguments arent convincing to me. I.am.sceptic.
You might say I'm suffering from a delusion,
(September 18, 2019 at 6:37 pm)Lek Wrote:Actually, you would be shocked at how many peopel are not well educated. That is because, wait for it, you arent well educated about the standard of eduation on this planet. You seem to be blissfully unaware of the fact that most of the billions of people on this planet are
Billions of these people are moderately or well-educated and realize that the earth revolves around the sun, as you do.
#1 starving
#2 uneducated
You maybe are better fed, but likely just as uneducated as all the other billions f people who arent. Do you get the irony of this?
That, by the way, is why i think the best tool against religion is education. Religion will (largely) go away if people were better educated.
(September 18, 2019 at 6:37 pm)Lek Wrote:Because what you have presented is not evidence*
Why don't you accept this as evidence for God?
What you have presented is claims, other people making (other) claims, and fallacies like appeal to numbers. Again, it shows your lack in education (see above).
*"personal evidence" isnt evidence. Just like oranges arent apples, because i call them "personal apples". You are entitled to believe in a god based on "personal evidence". You are not entitled to proclaim your god to be true based on your fallacious reasoning. You are of course entitled to wonder why i have such rigorous standards for beliefs, way more rigorous than you.
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse