I've been asked a zillion times in this forum to give evidence for why I believe in God and each time the questioner comes back and tells me that's not real evidence.   Here's the situation.  We have a being who is supernatural.  He/She/It can exist without the need to obey any natural laws and therefore, cannot be understood or explained by natural or scientific means.  

I always reply that I believe because God has directly impressed me with the awareness of his existence.  I list supporting factors as the witness of other believers, evidence of ghosts and other supernatural phenomena, etc.  A very conservative estimate of the number of people in the world today who believe in God, in this scientific age, is five billion.  These people are from every profession and walk of life.

If God directly illuminates me through supernatural means which cannot be tested by any natural means, how can I give you any other solid evidence other than to relate my experience?  You might say I'm suffering from a delusion, but I have no other history of delusions and billions of others who have no history of delusions also believe in God.  Billions of these people are moderately or well-educated and realize that the earth revolves around the sun, as you do.

Why don't you accept this as evidence for God?

God just told me that you were full of shit.

What...don't believe me?

I do not believe you, Lek.

It would be amazing if Lek believed Lek.  People who think that the christian god has directly spoken to them..about anything, are very very rare. As are christian god believers who believe that god speaks to anyone directly.

(September 18, 2019 at 6:37 pm)Lek Wrote: I've been asked a zillion times in this forum to give evidence for why I believe in God and each time the questioner comes back and tells me that's not real evidence.   Here's the situation.  We have a being who is supernatural.  He/She/It can exist without the need to obey any natural laws and therefore, cannot be understood or explained by natural or scientific means.  

I always reply that I believe because God has directly impressed me with the awareness of his existence.  I list supporting factors as the witness of other believers, evidence of ghosts and other supernatural phenomena, etc.  A very conservative estimate of the number of people in the world today who believe in God, in this scientific age, is five billion.  These people are from every profession and walk of life.

If God directly illuminates me through supernatural means which cannot be tested by any natural means, how can I give you any other solid evidence other than to relate my experience?  You might say I'm suffering from a delusion, but I have no other history of delusions and billions of others who have no history of delusions also believe in God.  Billions of these people are moderately or well-educated and realize that the earth revolves around the sun, as you do.

Why don't you accept this as evidence for God?

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There is not such thing as "supernatural", and an idiot excuse for avoidance what is clearly stated by the natural.

If we're taking the time to be thorough, all of it, lol.

First, there is no situation that we have.  That's just a description of your beliefs.  Next, you don't believe because a god injected godknowledge into you.  That, again, is just what you believe, not why you believe it.  Being very generous and assuming that you aren't engaged in pious prattle or flat out lying your balls off....you clearly don't have any idea what..if anything, actually happened to you.  Then we have this vague reference to billions of believers.  Well.  1.8 muslims, so no jesus, right?  Is that not evidence?  1.1 hindus.  Elephant god, and all the rest.

..........1.2atheist, agnostic, or secular. 

Do -you-, Lek, take this as evidence?

If any god wanted me to believe in them they would reveal themselves to me in a convincing way. Cornball anecdotes from god addled believers don't do it for me.

Simply put, I don’t accept it for the same reasons you don’t accept similar claims by people of other religions as proof of their gods.

I'm not talking about just Jesus, Allah, Brahman, etc. I'm talking about God. So you think billions of educated, non-delusional people are stupid, mistaken or delusional. You are smarter and more perceptive than the vast majority of past and present day people?

(September 18, 2019 at 7:13 pm)Lek Wrote: I'm not talking about just Jesus, Allah, Brahman,  etc.   I'm talking about God.  So you think billions of educated,  non-delusional people are stupid, mistaken or delusional.  You are smarter and more perceptive than the vast majority of past and present day people?

Less gullible anyway.