RE: Why not deism?
October 2, 2019 at 6:13 am
(This post was last modified: October 2, 2019 at 6:18 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 1, 2019 at 9:12 pm)Inqwizitor Wrote: It's not inserting a god, as in, something in some category of being, where there is gaps in our natural knowledge; but stating that natural knowledge itself requires some further explanation or reason for being.
Its not inserting a god, but inserting a god!
Honestly, lol......?
Quote:There is an old argument, that what knows, and what is known, cannot be the same thing. No matter how much we investigate nature, it is still metaphysically contingent. There are some axiomatic assumptions we must make about reality if we are to make sense of anything, and it's on that same plane that naturalism, as the particular instantiation of observable or measurable phenomena in space and time, is inherently incomplete. It's an existential limitation. @Grandizer suggests that all logically possible worlds could be that explanation; but I think that goes beyond naturalism.If we have to make assumptions to make sense of anything, then you aren't discussing any problem specific to naturalism. You keep insisting that naturlism is incomplete, but it hardly matters, unless the missing content of naturalism is a god.
You'd be pretty disappointed if the missing content of naturalism was chi, lol.
Stop with this "we don't know stuff" nonsense. Demonstrate that you know anything. Shit or get off the pot. That's a reasonable request, right? I've long wondered why people have such trouble with the notion of nature as metaphysically ultimate. Especially the faithful. Everything we point to as a reason for gods super-duperness is, ultimately, some facet of the natural universe. You'd think that rubbing those two sticks together all these years would have started a fire by now, but no.
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